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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    What you wrote about Finland, could have applied to Poland. Germany could have let Russia invade, giving Molotov what he wanted, then Germany could have pretended to support the independence movement in Warsaw. I think more people would have been hesitant to take down Hitler, if he showed a pattern of helping Poland and Finland in wars of liberation from the Soviet empire. I don't think that Finland would have opposed Germany, had they witnessed ostensibly altruistic behavior in Poland, even if it was only for expeditious and strategic reasons. Russia would have been invaded, occupied and partitioned, instead of Germany. Moscow would have German, British, American and French zones. Finland would have Karelia, while the old German and Polish borders would have come back. Russia would be ruined.
    Yes, what comes to Winter War ... there are lots of cartoons about that:


    Translation: ''See comcrade....she has already hands up but small devil still will not agree to surrender''










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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    What you wrote about Finland, could have applied to Poland. Germany could have let Russia invade, giving Molotov what he wanted, then Germany could have pretended to support the independence movement in Warsaw. I think more people would have been hesitant to take down Hitler, if he showed a pattern of helping Poland and Finland in wars of liberation from the Soviet empire. I don't think that Finland would have opposed Germany, had they witnessed ostensibly altruistic behavior in Poland, even if it was only for expeditious and strategic reasons. Russia would have been invaded, occupied and partitioned, instead of Germany. Moscow would have German, British, American and French zones. Finland would have Karelia, while the old German and Polish borders would have come back. Russia would be ruined.
    It appears, that most people in Germany after 1850 did not remembered,
    that there once had been a Polish nation once.

    I believe, that most German people at these times believed,
    that Poland had been forever theirs.

    Stalin himself as a Communist should not have signed anything with NS-Germany.

    Hitler's options were

    1.) Make the invasion appear as "Police Operation" to protect the German minority in Poland,
    and withdraw from Poland after some time ; as the NATO did with Yugoslavia in the 1990s.
    But there had been no previous experiences before doing such operations,
    and there were a few German people that lost land after 1918 by withdrawing from Poland;
    and it had been always that, that the winner of a war grabs himself some portions of the loser.

    2.) Withdraw from Poland after declaration of war by England and France,
    leaving Poland and many other Eastern Europeans to the Soviet Union.


    The Rippentropp-Molotov-Treaty had been the start of the end of NS-Germany.
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    As you said, with Ribbentrop signing the pact, it was the end of Germany. Had the war gone how I suggested, Germany would have been one of three victorious Germanic countries--it could have nullified the League of Nations and forestalled the United Nations. Italy would have been in a Fascist pact with France and probably Spain, to fight Albania, Yugoslavia, Turkey and Ethiopia. Without Russia, China would be nothing today, because nobody would have cared about Japan and them fighting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    As you said, with Ribbentrop signing the pact, it was the end of Germany. Had the war gone how I suggested, Germany would have been one of three victorious Germanic countries--it could have nullified the League of Nations and forestalled the United Nations. Italy would have been in a Fascist pact with France and probably Spain, to fight Albania, Yugoslavia, Turkey and Ethiopia. Without Russia, China would be nothing today, because nobody would have cared about Japan and them fighting.
    The war could not possibly have gone as you suggested, because ultimately, the war was not about Poland or anything other than Rothschild domination from behind the scenes. National Socialism was about wresting control from Jewry and their usurious monetary system, and the Rothschilds just couldn't have that...



    Poland was simply the excuse for the hot war to begin. If Germany had not invaded Poland, some other excuse would likely have materialized...

    https://nationalvanguard.org/2016/05...ain-recounted/

    “America and the World Jews” Responsible for World War II, British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain Recounted




    BRITISH PRIME MINISTER Neville Chamberlain told Joseph Kennedy, then US Ambassador to Great Britain, that “America and the world Jews” pushed Britain and Germany into war with one another. This exchange was documented in The Forrestal Diaries, the published journal of the first US Secretary of Defense, James Forrestal. US Jews, including William Bullitt, used economic and political leverage to foment an Anglo-German war.[1] (ILLUSTRATION: Excerpt from Life magazine, 15 October, 1951; click on image for a larger version.)

    The following, reproduced at this site, is an excerpt of The Forrestal Diaries:
    Played golf today with Joe Kennedy [Joseph Kennedy, US Ambassador to Great Britain right before World War II and father of future US President John F. Kennedy]. I asked him about his conversations with Roosevelt and Neville Chamberlain from 1938 on. He said Chamberlain’s position in 1938 was that England had nothing with which to fight and that she could not risk going to war with Hitler. Kennedy’s view: That Hitler would have fought Russia without any later conflict with England if it had not been for Bullitt’s [William C. Bullitt, US Jewish diplomat, descendant of Hyam Saloman, then US Ambassador to France] urging on Roosevelt in the summer of 1939 that the Germans must be faced down about Poland; neither the French nor the British would have made Poland a cause of war if it had not been for the constant needling from Washington. Bullitt, he said, kept telling Roosevelt that the Germans wouldn’t fight, Kennedy that they would, and that they would overrun Europe. Chamberlain, he says, stated that America and the world Jews had forced England into the war. In his telephone conversation with Roosevelt in the summer of 1939 the President kept telling him to put some iron up Chamberlain’s backside. Kennedy’s response always was that putting iron up his backside did no good unless the British had some iron with which to fight, and they did not. …
    To summarize, Forrestal is saying that at the height of positive Anglo-German relations in 1938, US and world Jews in general were working to destroy those relations. In particular, US Jew and envoy, William C. Bullitt, was striving to undermine peace between Britain and Germany. Bullitt put pressure on Roosevelt to harden US diplomacy toward Germany. His pressure on Roosevelt succeeded in putting pressure on Britain. The aim of US and world Jewry was to use Poland to commit Britain to go to war against Germany.
    In Freedom Betrayed, by Herbert Hoover, Bullitt is recounted pressuring Poland to refuse a deal of any sort with Hitler that would peacefully return Danzig to Germany:
    Further American activities were disclosed after the Germans had invaded Poland in September 1939 and seized the Polish Foreign Office records. The Germans released a mass of documents which certainly indicated that the American Ambassador to France, William C. Bullitt, who could only act on Mr. Roosevelt’s authority, had made a profusion of oral assurances to officials of Poland and France which they could only interpret as a promise of assistance of some kind of force from the United States.
    Bullitt left no doubt of the intended effect of US foreign policy toward Britain, Poland, and Germany. US would push Britain into a suicidal war, and the US would finish it:
    As Ambassador Bullitt puts it: “If a war breaks out, we probably would not participate in it at the beginning, but we would finish it.”… One thing, however, appears to be certain, namely that President Roosevelt’s policy in the immediate future will tend to … weaken Britain’s tendencies toward a compromise [meaning that Britain would not be allowed to find a peaceful compromise between Poland or Germany, but instead pushed into offering a war guarantee to Poland that would simultaneously ensure no diplomatic deal on Danzig would be reached].
    Chamberlain’s instinct was to avoid any commitments and to allow Germany and Poland to reach a compromise on Danzig, but Bullitt and Roosevelt were determined:
    … Roosevelt and Bullitt were the major factors in the British making their guarantees to Poland and becoming involved in the war. Kennedy said that Bullitt, under instructions from Roosevelt, was constantly urging the Poles not to make terms with the Germans and that he, Kennedy, under instructions from Roosevelt, was constantly urging the British to make guarantees to the Poles.
    He said that after Chamberlain had given these guarantees, Chamberlain told him (Kennedy) that he hoped the Americans and the Jews would now be satisfied but that he (Chamberlain) felt that he had signed the doom of civilization.
    The immediate result of Jewish involvement in British, German, and Polish diplomacy was threefold: 1) It exerted pressure on Roosevelt to increase tensions between Britain and Germany, 2) it directly pressured Britain into making a promise to go to war with Germany, leading to the “war guarantee” of 31 March, 1939, and 3) this, in turn, influenced the Poles to refuse any further negotiations with Hitler for a peaceful resolution to Danzig or the Corridor. Its long term result was, in Chamberlain’s own words, the “doom of civilization.”

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    That would mean then, that National Soccialism is not anything
    at all, especially pro-Germanic and pro-White-Race, but simply
    either anti-Hebrewic or anti-Monetary.

    "Judea" had been a non-existant virtual country at that time,
    and could have been simply ignored.
    No-one needs "love" by everyone nor the "blessing" of the Jews.
    No-one needs to read the Jewish newspapers,
    nor go to Hitler saying : Look, what the Jews do.

    The Jews put a bait and NS-Germany fully aware of "The Jews" took it
    and especially after the experience of the First World War the outcome
    of the Second World War had been predictable.
    Hitler was lucky, that the French Army had been such an easy match
    in year 1940, and the Poles were not happy about the responses
    of France in 1939, which could have invaded Germany as response to
    the German assault.
    On Stormfront there some Pole said, that the Poles had already tanks
    and anti-tank weapons, but we in Germany were brought up in the
    1980s with black-and-white videos of Polish Horse Cavalry riding
    against German tanks.
    Our non-Jewish Official TV was very much painting an overall
    wrong impression of the German War in Poland in 1939.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe Jens Lornsen View Post
    That would mean then, that National Soccialism is not anything
    at all, especially pro-Germanic and pro-White-Race, but simply
    either anti-Hebrewic or anti-Monetary.

    "Judea" had been a non-existant virtual country at that time,
    and could have been simply ignored.
    No-one needs "love" by everyone nor the "blessing" of the Jews.
    No-one needs to read the Jewish newspapers,
    nor go to Hitler saying : Look, what the Jews do.
    That was a bit more serious than some Jews barking in 1933. Jews may not have had a country then, but they had strong ethnic cohesion and were well organized. They boycott was indeed spread over several countries. And Jews were influential in a number of countries via newspapers and lobbying governments.
    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe Jens Lornsen View Post
    The Jews put a bait and NS-Germany fully aware of "The Jews" took it
    and especially after the experience of the First World War the outcome
    of the Second World War had been predictable.
    Hitler was lucky, that the French Army had been such an easy match
    in year 1940, and the Poles were not happy about the responses
    of France in 1939, which could have invaded Germany as response to
    the German assault.
    France DID invade Germany in 1939.
    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe Jens Lornsen View Post
    On Stormfront there some Pole said, that the Poles had already tanks
    and anti-tank weapons, but we in Germany were brought up in the
    1980s with black-and-white videos of Polish Horse Cavalry riding
    against German tanks.
    Our non-Jewish Official TV was very much painting an overall
    wrong impression of the German War in Poland in 1939.
    Indeed, they try to paint a picture of some weak, innocent country being raided by the Wehrmacht of the evil warmonger Adolf Hitler.
    The Polish Army was fully mobilized and had tanks, artillery and an air-force. They felt strong, because they had the backing of Britain and France, which was anyway the reason why they changed their attitude and behavior early in 1939, after there was some reconciliation efforts since 1934 between Germany and Poland.

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