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    Quote Originally Posted by OnePercent View Post
    This is exactly how the US should have reacted back in 2008 when the housing bubble finally burst. They should have let the banks fail and taken the bankers into custody for defrauding the investors. There may have been some immediate pain, but in the long run the country would have come out better in the end. The idea that the public should be forced to pay for the criminal activities of the banking elite is absurd, all it does is prolong the agony.
    The difference is.. WE WERE NOT ASKED! People did the only thing they could do and called their representatives with such an angry furor that many in congress didn't dare vote for the bail out, despite veiled threats from the "elite." The senate had no qualms about ignoring the public, though. They voted for the bailout 75-25 and the house was eventually forced to go along. Why? You figure it out..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn
    The difference is.. WE WERE NOT ASKED!
    Icelanders were not asked either, they protested the plans to make them pay though and put pressure on the politicians so long until they had no other choice than to follow the will of the people. This really is the difference.

    OF COURSE "the elites" wont ask anyone, but obviously, it is possible to say no and stop nonetheless. This is the lesson we should learn. We need to learn to say stop to what is done to us by our politicians and elites and threaten them physically if needed to serve us and not the banks.

    Southern Europe will learn that lesson sooner than we do. They are already on the streets, while we still discuss whether that fits with our self-proclaimed law-abiding attitude, whether that comes from the "right" people (instead of simply using the dynamics presented to us on a silver plate) and what not. There's no point in whining over that we're not asked. It's especially funny from Americans who insist on their right to bear weapons to defend themselves against an oppressive government. We in Europe dont have that right, yet Iceland defended itself nonetheless and the Greek will defend themselves and Portugal and Spain will too. While we whine about that we've not been asked? This is the excuse?


    Quote Originally Posted by Lew Skannon
    It won't be possible in the long run. They have just put a moratorium on news from Iceland until they figure out how to destroy them. Iceland will pay dearly for their disobedience.

    Wait and see..
    When the banks win, Iceland will indeed pay dearly. The question is, why do we feel so powerless (Iceland stood against serious threats by Britain and Netherlands) that we cannot support them? By going onto the streets and forcing our countries out of the international banking terror, doing the same in every of our countries too? We are missing that chance that is dubbed the Euro-crisis right now and the already large scale taking place protests against the banks' power, I think. Why are we not on the streets and take over that movement?

    Iceland is proof that it can work, even today, and when we manage a halfway concerted effort into the same direction in many countries, there is nothing the banks, NATO or anyone can do about it. Leaving Iceland alone and wait and see what will happen to them when we dont stand up to support them (and our own nation's souvereignity) is just another defeat of ourselves by letting pass chances unused.



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    I agree with velvet here.

    The difference between Iceland and Greece/Ireland/Spain/Italy is that the former country was never in the EU, and were more "free" to act radically and give the middle finger to the banks. The latter countries are all stuck in the Eurozone, and have the option of asking for more bail-outs and maintaining their own corrupt systems that should have collapsed long ago.

    And it's unlikely that the EU will even let these countries go, since the EU is run by those same rich bankers. They don't care if the German taxpayers are forced to pay for the collapsing economies in other debt-enslaved nations. So, as you said, the only way out is if the people riot and protest enough to force the governments to listen.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    When the banks win, Iceland will indeed pay dearly. The question is, why do we feel so powerless (Iceland stood against serious threats by Britain and Netherlands) that we cannot support them? By going onto the streets and forcing our countries out of the international banking terror, doing the same in every of our countries too?
    I wish we could do this. Unfortunately, it looks right now as if Iceland is on their own. But I totally have sympathy for the Icelandic people and what they're doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mvix View Post
    Refusing to pay other peoples debts is the right thing to do but people here aren't happy with the government though. The government has decided to tax our way out of the recession.
    Unemployment ratings are low here but that's on one hand because many people have fled the country to seek employment in Norway and Denmark and on the other hand because Iceland had an independent currency that dropped in value.

    People aren't happy with the government but they don't want elections because the only thing that can come instead is the old government. The politics are on a low level here. The government and the opposition can't agree on anything they're just against what the other party says just because they said it.

    And we're not in the European union.
    That's a major problem in these times of crisis, even if the alternative would have been much worse, the chosen option still comes with a great deal of pain and uncertainty. Achieving a common understanding about the need to endure these hardships is a difficult task. Politics is usually about promosing improvements, but this is crisis management mode where the goal is simply to handle an inevitable downturn and ride out the storm as best as possible.

    Here is where a foundation of nationalism really comes in handy. If our politicians would look out for the interests of the nation and its people on a regular basis, and work for us and not against us, I think it would be much easier to rally support for staying the course, even if it is painful, during tough economic times. You can't expect this level of coming together if the government normally engages in an all out war against its own people in pursuing ideological projects hostile to the nation, the loyalty must be deserved prior to the times of trouble and prior to the hardships.

    Just as a family holds together under pressure, so should a nation operate, but it can't be based on lip service from the politicians, it must be genuine, and it appears as though genuine love of country and folk is uncommon these days amongst the political classes.

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    Mvix, what's the day to day situation like in Iceland atm, has their been any increase in economic hardship?

    Have food and fuel prices been affected? What about the exchange rate? Are foreign goods more expensive now?
    Well mortgages and loans have gotten bigger and some have even doubled. Food is more expensive and the citizens are heavily taxed.

    To combat the lack of revenue because of decreased sales of fuel the government has decided to tax it more heavily (wonder why sales have gone down).

    One of the largest opposition group against the EU here are our farmers and the agricultural sector. If we join the EU foods will be cheaper but it will probably be a death blow to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mvix View Post
    VG is an anti-EU party but SF is a pro-EU party. The coalition between the two parties has sometimes been on shaky grounds. One of SF's terms for the coalition is that Iceland will apply for the EU, VG have bowed to these terms to be able to be in power. This has of course displeased many of their voters.
    Isn't a prospective Icelandic application to join the EU dependent on a referendum anyways?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mvix View Post
    To combat the lack of revenue because of decreased sales of fuel the government has decided to tax it more heavily (wonder why sales have gone down).
    I wonder indeed. It is of course a basic law of economics that the more something costs the less of it people tend to buy. By taxing fuel more highly the government knows people will be able to afford less of it, but at the same time it also knows that they must buy a certain amount of fuel each winter no matter what it costs, or else freeze themselves half to death. It's a harsh policy.
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    I like that they did the new draft for their constitution on the internet. The internet is a big chance to get people more directly involved into politics. We have a new party here called the pirate party. They have a system called liquid democracy. Basically every member of the party can take part in every decision process in the party, deciding the parties politics.
    Depending on how much support your idea gets it gets more or less much considered, and in the end people can directly vote on several drafts. Important is also how much expertise you have on the subject, and not only how much you support you got. I don“t know the exact algorithm they use, but its a very good new concept that could have a great future, if used correct. Of course its still in the alpha phase, and the idea itself needs a lot more refinement, but the basic idea is brilliant. They call the system liquid democracy. Of course the politicians aren“t bound by what the base decides (that would be against german law) but if someone decides several times against the parties wishes he will have to explain himself.


    As for the rest of the article, its brilliant what they did. I really hope they win that fight, and that other european countries see that as an example.


    btw in the whole discussion i have trouble to understand something. Apparently ALL states (with very few exceptions like china) are highly into dept. I allways thought debtors would be the banks, but now we learned in the last 3 years they are also deeply into dept. So who are the debtors ? It cant be your average citizen, they are also deep into dept. Apparently everybody and all institutions are deep in debt, so wtf are the debtors ??? I mean somebody or some institution must be mega rich,m and everybody in indebted to them, but who is it ?

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    @ the horned god :

    afaik 98% if the icland population heat their homes through hot water springs, the pump cool water down and it comes warm up again. So they don“t need fuel to heat their homes, just to drive their cars, motor sleighs etc.
    There won't be humans in 500 years. Enough people choke themselves when they jerk off we gave it a name. We ain't a species made to last.

    Judging by it“s name common sense must once have been a pretty common thing. When and why did that change, so it became the rare treasure it is today???

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