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    How did you get 100% European from 23andMe with that large ME segment? My wife got less than half a percent Asian and her Asian spot is just a sliver. Still it was enough for 23andMe to say she was 99% European.

    NM. I just remembered that 23andMe treats ME as European.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magni View Post
    How did you get 100% European from 23andMe with that large ME segment? My wife got less than half a percent Asian and her Asian spot is just a sliver. Still it was enough for 23andMe to say she was 99% European.

    Did she also test with Dr. Mcdonald and did it show up there also? My 2 ME segments amount to roughly .9% of the total genome (Dr Mcdonald said it was around .6%) .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hesse View Post
    Did she also test with Dr. Mcdonald and did it show up there also? My 2 ME segments amount to roughly .9% of the total genome (Dr Mcdonald said it was around .6%) .
    Yeah, I sent it to Dr. McDonald. Her segment was .46% and he said it was probably NA. I wonder if he just assumed that though. Her MtDNA is most common in Finland so I had thought it might be from that. Either way.. *shrug*

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    Dienekes World 9 calculator (mother's results)

    0.00% Amerindian (German average 0.5%)
    0.04% East_Asian German average .1%)
    0.00% African (German average 0%)
    69.32% Atlantic_Baltic (German average 74.9%)
    0.01% Australasian (German average 0.3%)
    2.07% Siberian (German average 0.4%)
    14.49% Caucasus_Gedrosia (German average 12.1%)
    13.52% Southern (German average 11.4%)
    0.54% South_Asian (German average .4%)

    I hope I'm still within the deviations

    Dinekes k12a

    36.77% Mediterranean (German average 34.8%
    0.01% Far_Asian (German average 0.1%)
    1.37% Siberian (German average 0.1%)
    42.64% North_European (German average 50.6%)
    0.02% South_Asian (German average 0.2%)
    0.00% West_African (German average 0)
    9.88% Caucasus (German average 7.8)
    8.10% Gedrosia (German average 4.4)
    0.00% East_African (German average 0)
    1.17% Southwest_Asian (German avearage 2)
    0.04% Southeast_Asian (German average 0)
    0.01% Northwest_African (German average 0)

    Dodecad Oracle for k12

    [1,] "Mixed_Germanic_D" "5.4405"
    [2,] "Dutch_D" "6.6061"
    [3,] "CEU25" "7.5366"
    [4,] "Kent_1KG" "9.2683"
    [5,] "British_D" "9.2824"
    [6,] "German_D" "9.3596"
    [7,] "British_Isles_D" "9.5805"
    [8,] "French" "10.1924"
    [9,] "Cornwall_1KG" "10.2337"
    [10,] "Irish_D" "10.8886"
    [11,] "Argyll_1KG" "10.9831"
    [12,] "French_D" "11.1393"
    [13,] "Hungarians" "11.5995"
    [14,] "Orkney_1KG" "12.0552"
    [15,] "Orcadian" "12.1041"
    [16,] "Norwegian_D" "15.4164"
    [17,] "Swedish_D" "17.4458"
    [18,] "N_Italian_D" "21.7782"
    [19,] "Portuguese_D" "23.0032"
    [20,] "Romanians" "23.2373"
    [21,] "Polish_D" "23.7694"
    [22,] "Bulgarian_D" "24.0536"
    [23,] "Spaniards" "24.0923"
    [24,] "Bulgarians_Y" "24.2894"
    [25,] "Spanish_D" "24.5883"
    [26,] "North_Italian" "24.8269"
    [27,] "IBS" "24.8646"
    [28,] "Ukranians_Y" "26.3177"
    [29,] "TSI25" "29.4488"
    [30,] "Russian_D" "29.9544"

    ^On this one I guess I'm more like the Dutch than the Germans


    Mixed mode

    1,] "87.4% Kent_1KG + 12.6% Balkars_Y" "1.2395"
    [2,] "87.8% Kent_1KG + 12.2% North_Ossetians_Y" "1.3206"
    [3,] "12.7% Adygei + 87.3% Kent_1KG" "1.3216"
    [4,] "87.4% British_D + 12.6% Balkars_Y" "1.3336"
    [5,] "87.3% British_D + 12.7% Adygei" "1.4141"
    [6,] "87.8% British_D + 12.2% North_Ossetians_Y" "1.4163"
    [7,] "91.6% Mixed_Germanic_D + 8.4% Kumyks_Y" "1.4395"
    [8,] "89.6% Dutch_D + 10.4% Turks" "1.4509"
    [9,] "90.6% Dutch_D + 9.4% Armenians" "1.4741"
    [10,] "88.5% CEU25 + 11.5% Kumyks_Y" "1.5019"
    [11,] "86.8% British_Isles_D + 13.2% Armenians" "1.5266"
    [12,] "10.8% Turkish_D + 89.2% Dutch_D" "1.5342"
    [13,] "85.5% British_Isles_D + 14.5% Turks" "1.5515"
    [14,] "91.5% Mixed_Germanic_D + 8.5% Turks" "1.6064"
    [15,] "87% Kent_1KG + 13% Chechens_Y" "1.6556"
    [16,] "86.2% Kent_1KG + 13.8% Kumyks_Y" "1.6672"
    [17,] "88.3% CEU25 + 11.7% Turks" "1.6764"
    [18,] "92.7% Dutch_D + 7.3% Abhkasians_Y" "1.6787"
    [19,] "89.9% Dutch_D + 10.1% Kumyks_Y" "1.6812"
    [20,] "90.9% Dutch_D + 9.1% Balkars_Y" "1.6838"
    [21,] "92.4% Dutch_D + 7.6% Georgians" "1.6855"
    [22,] "89.4% CEU25 + 10.6% Armenians" "1.6856"
    [23,] "69.1% Argyll_1KG + 30.9% Bulgarians_Y" "1.691"
    [24,] "91.6% CEU25 + 8.4% Abhkasians_Y" "1.6972"
    [25,] "90% CEU25 + 10% North_Ossetians_Y" "1.706"
    [26,] "91.2% Dutch_D + 8.8% North_Ossetians_Y" "1.7127"
    [27,] "89.7% CEU25 + 10.3% Balkars_Y" "1.7143"
    [28,] "86.2% British_D + 13.8% Kumyks_Y" "1.7219"
    [29,] "10.4% Adygei + 89.6% CEU25" "1.7299"
    [30,] "91.7% Mixed_Germanic_D + 8.3% Lezgins" "1.7337"
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    Dienekes WEAC calculator

    Me

    78.30% Atlantic-Baltic
    19.15% Near-East
    2.49% Far-East
    0.06%

    My mother

    76.93% Atlantic-Baltic
    21.07% Near-East
    1.93% Far-East
    0.06% Africa

    Eurogenes K=10

    Me

    2.05% S_Asian
    45.62% N_E_Euro
    0.00% NE_African
    39.77% SW_W_Euro
    5.09% Med_ME
    1.32% N_Asian
    0.02% E_Asian
    0.00% Sub_Saharan
    0.05% SE_Asian
    6.08% W_Asian



    My mother

    0.79% S_Asian
    43.64% N_E_Euro
    0.00% NE_African
    38.64% SW_W_Euro
    5.59% Med_ME
    1.48% N_Asian
    0.00% E_Asian
    0.00% Sub_Saharan
    0.04% SE_Asian
    9.82% W_Asian


    Eurogenes K=14

    Me

    31.45% Northeast_Euro
    0.00% Sub-Saharan
    0.00% Berber
    1.12% South_Asian
    53.90% West_Euro
    0.05% Southeast_Asian
    1.09% South_Siberian
    0.01% North_Asian
    0.00% East_Siberian
    0.00% East_Asian
    1.79% East_Mediterranean
    3.56% Middle_Eastern
    5.32% West_Asian
    1.71% Volga-Ural


    My mother

    30.17% Northeast_Euro
    0.00% Sub-Saharan
    0.00% Berber
    0.61% South_Asian
    52.87% West_Euro
    0.00% Southeast_Asian
    0.74% South_Siberian
    0.35% North_Asian
    0.01% East_Siberian
    0.00% East_Asian
    3.28% East_Mediterranean
    3.54% Middle_Eastern
    7.42% West_Asian
    1.01% Volga-Ural

    MDLP calculator

    Me

    12.06% Scandinavian
    4.86% Volga_Region
    2.42% Altaic
    34.15% Celto_Germanic
    12.61% Caucassian_Anatolian
    18.52% Balto_Slavic
    15.37% North_Atlantic

    Mom

    8.34% Scandinavian
    5.00% Volga_Region
    2.14% Altaic
    33.82% Celto_Germanic
    15.52% Caucassian_Anatolian
    18.73% Balto_Slavic
    16.45% North_Atlantic









    As far as I know, at this point here I have so far used all the existing calculators and tools for uploading DNA data (unless there are a few that I'm missing) in determining racial origin and therefore the end of my quest in proving whether my German ancestry is really authentic German ancestry and that our German heritage really does exist.

    Concluding, it seems to be pretty clear that my mom's side not African or Eastern Asian, but what seems to be consistently showing up is the middle eastern/west asian/caucasus, and also Siberan which doesn't make sense, considering that my mom is 100% Northern European ancestrally. I don't understand why in the bloody damn hell were getting so much middle eastern if my mom is half German.

    I'm not sure what these calculators are conclusive of though and how to interpret them in regardss to what you are racially.

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    Just some tips for anyone else who is mired in confusion. Stay calm and read on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hesse View Post

    top 23 populations

    [1,] "N._European" "4.799"
    [2,] "CEU" "4.9129"
    [3,] "Argyll_1KG" "6.0608"
    [4,] "Orcadian" "6.7995"
    [5,] "Orkney_1KG" "7.1026"
    [6,] "German_D" "7.5499"
    [7,] "Mixed_Germanic_D" "11.434"
    [8,] "French" "12.4916"
    [9,] "French_D" "12.9967"
    [10,] "Dutch_D" "13.1827"
    [11,] "Slovenian" "15.4653"
    [12,] "Kent_1KG" "15.6064"
    [13,] "British_Isles_D" "17.6061"
    [14,] "British_D" "17.6641"
    [15,] "Cornwall_1KG" "18.2753"
    [16,] "Swedish_D" "19.8374"
    [17,] "Hungarians" "20.4611"
    [18,] "Irish_D" "20.7565"

    [19,] "Norwegian_D" "21.1287"
    [20,] "French_Basque" "25.5569"
    [21,] "Portuguese_D" "26.308"
    [22,] "Tuscan_H" "26.834"
    [23,] "TSI" "26.9116"


    The binational matches however revealed a bit of a skeleton:



    [1,] "9.1% Lebanese + 90.9% Argyll_1KG" "1.2113"
    [2,] "8.8% Samaritians + 91.2% Argyll_1KG" "1.3048"
    [3,] "13.8% Ashkenazy_Jews + 86.2% Argyll_1KG" "1.3563"
    [4,] "9.3% Greek_D + 90.7% N._European" "1.3988"
    [5,] "13.3% Ashkenazi_D + 86.7% Argyll_1KG" "1.4272"
    [6,] "8.8% Jordanians_19 + 91.2% Argyll_1KG" "1.4868"
    [7,] "9.1% Palestinian + 90.9% Argyll_1KG" "1.4898"
    [8,] "8.8% Druze + 91.2% Argyll_1KG" "1.5015"
    [9,] "8.9% Cypriots + 91.1% Argyll_1KG" "1.5436"
    [10,] "8.8% Syrians + 91.2% Argyll_1KG" "1.5469"
    [11,] "90.1% CEU + 9.9% Stalskoe" "1.5592"
    [12,] "93% CEU + 7% Iranians" "1.5712"
    [13,] "93% CEU + 7% Iranian_D" "1.5988"
    [14,] "8.6% Iraq_Jews + 91.4% Argyll_1KG" "1.6374"
    [15,] "32% Greek_D + 68% Norwegian_D" "1.6415"
    [16,] "9.1% Georgia_Jews + 90.9% Argyll_1KG" "1.6515"
    [17,] "26.4% Balkans_D + 73.6% Mixed_Germanic_D" "1.6627"
    [18,] "92.4% CEU + 7.6% Kurd_D" "1.669"
    [19,] "10.2% Georgia_Jews + 89.8% Orcadian" "1.7124"
    [20,] "8.7% Iranian_Jews + 91.3% Argyll_1KG" "1.7146"
    [21,] "89.3% Orcadian + 10.7% Uzbekistan_Jews" "1.7166"
    [22,] "92.6% CEU + 7.4% Kurd" "1.7359"
    [23,] "90.3% Orcadian + 9.7% Syrians" "1.7409"
    [24,] "6.9% Cypriots + 93.1% N._European" "1.7473"
    [25,] "11.5% Morocco_Jews + 88.5% Argyll_1KG" "1.7542"
    [26,] "10% Lebanese + 90% Orcadian" "1.7779"
    [27,] "89.7% Orcadian + 10.3% Kurd" "1.8034"
    [28,] "88.7% Orkney_1KG + 11.3% Turkish_D" "1.8073"
    [29,] "9.7% Iranian_Jews + 90.3% Orcadian" "1.8135"
    [30,] "7.6% Turkish_D + 92.4% N._European" "1.8143"
    [31,] "10.6% Georgia_Jews + 89.4% Orkney_1KG" "1.8155"
    [32,] "10.4% Lebanese + 89.6% Orkney_1KG" "1.8299"
    [33,] "61.1% Irish_D + 38.9% Romanians_14" "1.8354"
    [34,] "88.9% Orkney_1KG + 11.1% Uzbekistan_Jews" "1.8494"
    [35,] "92.3% CEU + 7.7% Uzbekistan_Jews" "1.8495"
    [36,] "9.5% Iraq_Jews + 90.5% Orcadian" "1.8537"
    [37,] "8.4% S_Italian_D + 91.6% N._European" "1.8643"
    [38,] "92.7% CEU + 7.3% Turks" "1.8787"
    [39,] "9.5% Uzbekistan_Jews + 90.5% Argyll_1KG" "1.8822"
    [40,] "8.8% Azerbaijan_Jews + 91.2% Argyll_1KG" "1.8906"
    [41,] "10.1% Iranian_Jews + 89.9% Orkney_1KG" "1.8961"
    [42,] "6.3% Assyrian_D + 93.7% CEU" "1.8997"
    [43,] "9.9% Iraq_Jews + 90.1% Orkney_1KG" "1.9092"
    [44,] "89.3% Orcadian + 10.7% Turkish_D" "1.9192"
    [45,] "9.9% Azerbaijan_Jews + 90.1% Orcadian" "1.9223"
    [46,] "10.1% Druze + 89.9% Orkney_1KG" "1.926"
    [47,] "89.5% Orkney_1KG + 10.5% Turks" "1.9339"
    [48,] "92.8% CEU + 7.2% Georgia_Jews" "1.9351"
    [49,] "10.2% Sephardic_Jews + 89.8% Argyll_1KG" "1.9411"
    [50,] "10.4% Kurd_D + 89.6% Orcadian" "1.9429"
    Since Hesse is an American of typical Germano-Celtic ancestry, succinctly listed by N._European and CEU in nearest populations, I found the likely source of his concern and highlighted it. As for my own results, anything closer than British Isles in singular proximity I count as ancestral, so since Hesse gets Slovenian and Hungarian in his singular results nearer than some Isles, it's obvious why he has Balkans and Romanian DNA in his mixed results. He did mention Bohemian ancestry, so that is the source of his confusion, seeing how the ones isolated are relevant to Austria.

    There's no real reason to freak out at these results, because a number of them list Italian, Greek, Cypriot, Iranian, Kurd and Turk as possibilities that happen to have Semitic matches; it's not a necessity for those types of genes to be transmitted directly and recently by Levantines. Don't rush to conclusions. Unfortunately, some may attempt suicide over a misinterpreted DNA test driving them to despair.

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