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    Quote Originally Posted by BritishLad View Post
    by repentant do you mean really sad?
    It means he was sorry he did it, under Christianity he would most likely burn for all eternity in a lake of fire if he did not repent before death. Still I dost he was being true hearted about it, the old devil would have had to be damned sorry to wriggle out of all the evil he did.

    I have stood in the line at Hastings twice now (I think although maybe more, I forget). Its a big hill and really tiring to walk up and down in armour more than once. Still I always feel sad for the fallen Saxons even when under Norman colours. The Saxons should have won the day, damn the peasants for braking rank in pursuit. Shame I could not be there this year. Still I would need to reappoint my apparel if I am to stand with Harald next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BritishLad View Post
    by repentant do you mean really sad?
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/repent
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    The other French attempt to invade was less successful (1805). Napoleon Bonaparte's Army was standing around Calais, Dunkirk and Dieppe---ready to embark. But the combined Spanish-French Fleet (Third Catholic/Continental Alliance) that was supposed to transport the Grande Army never arrived. It was dispersed in a huge naval battle near the Cape of Trafalgar by Lord Nelson (21 October 1805).

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    It's fascinating to read about the power struggles that were going on at this time in England and associated countries. Occasionally you will find one singular person whose existence paved the way for utter disaster, and that person in this case was Harold Godwinson's brother Tostig.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tostig_Godwinson

    If this dangerous character had been imprisoned or killed rather than exiled, history would have been quite different. Harald Hardrada was not particularly interested in invading England until Tostig talked him into it. And if he had not invaded northern England, he and his ten thousand men would have survived, half of Harold Godwinson's army would not have been lost in York, and a very different force would have met William the Bastard at Hastings. One not halved in number and missing many of its knights and lords, one not worn out from forced marches to the north. William's chances would have been far slimmer under these conditions, and England would most likely have remained in Anglo-Saxon hands.

    On the side of Hardrada... what if, instead of Tostig, a Greenlander had come to him and convinced him to conquer Vinland? Those lost ten thousand would have made a great founding population on the North American continent...
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    Harald Hardrada was not particularly interested in invading England until Tostig talked him into it. And if he had not invaded northern England, he and his ten thousand men would have survived, half of Harold Godwinson's army would not have been lost in York, and a very different force would have met William the Bastard at Hastings. One not halved in number and missing many of its knights and lords, one not worn out from forced marches to the north. William's chances would have been far slimmer under these conditions, and England would most likely have remained in Anglo-Saxon hands.
    Yes, Huginn, history is often decided by the slenderest of margins and random events.

    But to think that the fate of a whole nation was determined by a battle involving (at most) just 15,000 belligerents ... it would only be a minor skirmish by today's standards!

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