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    Quote Originally Posted by jagdmesser View Post
    There is no justification for taking one’s own life.
    In war, better to die quickly than to be caught and tortured or paraded around in a spectacle.

    Hitler suggested that a lover's quarrel could be a good reason.

    Plotinus and Plato justified suicide when one could no longer be of service to the community. Undoubtedly there are still consequences even when justified in this manner.

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    10 Reasons Why People Commit Suicide


    Causing one’s own death intentionally makes every related person curious to know the reason why he or she did it. I have though never lost somebody close due to suicide but still I have seen number of people left behind who are close to the person who committed suicide. The devastation, pain, anger, guilt and regret which I have seen in them are unexplainable. It’s obvious that if a person had taken such a big step he or she must be desperate to die, but the question is simply why? How much harder you try, you just can’t reach the actual reason if you are not aware of person’s feeling and physiology exactly. According to the major research work regarding the suicidal attempts, it is found that no matter what’s the age or race, how rich or poor the person is, is suffering from some strong emotional or mental disorder.

    World Health Organization has reported that in past fifty years the suicide rate have increased by 60% almost. The percentage mainly comprises of teenagers and the people of around forty to forty-five years of age. China and India have the highest suicide rating. Well it’s clear and understood that suicide attempt is not the state of mind that is set overnight or the next day of a normal day. The problem must be lingering for so long in life and when it became unbearable, life is over. People always criticize the suicide attempts but nobody tries to figure out the reason. In my opinion it is the due combined personal and socioeconomic problems. Here we are providing you top 10 reasons why people commit suicide. You must help those people to manage their life in a good way, they needs your help, if they are facing any one of these 10 problems in their life:


    10. Philosophical Desire To Die

    Usually people commit suicide based on some reason that may be an illness or a problem, from which there is no hope of recovery or reprieve exists. But the people, who are not ill, depressed or involved in some big problem attempts a suicide it means they have a philosophical desire to die. They have a thought that they can shorten their life and can take control of their destiny by causing their own death early than written in fate. If such people have been evaluated by some professional physiologist they would definitely be categorized as a people with serious mental disorder.


    9. Sexual Orientation

    In teenage most of the kids have a chance to get aware of their sexuality in true terms as they have grown up have a relatively mature state of mind, hence it’s obvious there are complications. If someone realizes that he or she is a gay, lesbian or bisexual at this stage of life, it’s surely very difficult to admit and telling relatives and friends. At this point, in shame and complex the person can think of the easiest way to get rid off of this situation to end up his or her own life.

    8. Domestic Abuse

    Domestic abuse is one of the most common reasons of committing suicide in teenagers. They are physically and mentally abused by their own family members. The non-supportive behaviour of the family is the biggest disappointment and can have the damaging effect on person’s life. Another case can be if the person himself or herself is not the victim of the abuse but is a witness to such abuse on daily basis then this can also have a devastating effect on mind. Moreover if the person is treated in such a way that he or she feels demeaning can make a person to attempt suicide.


    7. Bullying And Complexes

    Bullying among friends is very common now a day. It is practiced in most of the high schools bit more than usual. The teenagers have to experience bullying, but some of the teens are already complex and sensitive about their personality. This bullying and pranking all the time beat their confidence and lower their self-esteem. They feel that they are not capable of anything and cannot do anything productive. This feeling keeps on lingering in their life and they find it meaningless and worthless. This ends up them in taking their own life. Parents and teachers should teach their children to ignore such comments before they join any social place.


    6. Emotional Neglect

    When parents are busy in their own lives they may have no time for their children. Especially teenage is such an age when children actually know the world. They may suffer from some sort of depression or some physical problems where they need their parents help and attention. If they are being ignored and forgotten all the time this may develop the feeling of loneliness in them. They may feel that their existence makes no difference in their parent’s life. This could be one of the most dangerous and worst reasons to commit suicide.


    5. Depression

    The most common reason to commit suicide is depression. Depression is the feeling always accompanied by hopelessness. The person is thinking all the time that everything would have been much better without me. The biggest issue is that person is thinking all this silently and planning suicide. The depression is always treatable. If any of your friend or relative or children is sharing something with you saying “I am depressed” just don’t ignore it or make fun of her or him at the problem. Support the depressed person and assure him/her that everything is fine. You can save a life by being helping and supportive in this way.


    4. Drugs Abuse

    The most common but unpredictable reason to attempt suicide is being impulsive which is mostly related to drugs addiction and alcohol. Here as well are two cases. First is when the addicted person is calm and sober he may develop the feeling of shame and regret. The sense of shame is genuine but this is no reason to be so emotional to commit suicide. If you know any person in such state you must not let him give away their life just in regret. The second case is that when an addicted person don’t have an access to the drugs anymore. In pain and in aggression he takes his life away. Something needs to be done to help such people in both the tough situations.

    3. Mental Disorders

    When person’s brain starts to work in some different orientation than usual the thoughts that came in mind usually leads to suicide. The different thoughts are due to the mental disorders such as depression, schizophrenia, bipolar illness in brain commands self-destruction. They feel that they are not the part of existing society and have no right to live. They feel frustrated from themselves. They feel trouble while adjusting for the society they live in. The mental disorders can be very severe and they need to be detected and treated at the very early stages otherwise the results are heartbreaking.

    2. Sexual Abuse

    The most common reason of suicide in teens is that grow up by being sexually abused. This is one of the main causes of being physically and emotionally damaged. Sexual abuse has forever and long lasting effect on one’s life. Anger, guilt and irritation become the part of the effected person. The unimaginable pain through which the person is going through leads her/him to take away her own life. The percentage of the rape victims is increasing in country such as India day by day. The hypocrisy of society and frustration of being abused can make someone attempt suicide easily.

    1. Stress

    Person who is stressed commits suicide to take pressure off once for all. It’s one of the top reasons why people commits suicide regardless of the fact to which age group person belongs to. If we talk about the teenagers the stress may be related to the good grades and marks in school exams, the teenage love breakups, picking up a career at the young age and many others, it can be. The pressure and stress is mostly increased by parents and family to make children live up to their standards ignoring the capacity, liking’s and capability of their own child.
    In the same way the elders may be stressed due to the burden of family expenses and less income or may be due to some incurable illness. In all the situations the family support and attention can be the best treatment to get rid of the stress and can save lives.

    Reasons People Commit Suicide - Top Ten List 10 Feb 2019.
    The whole establishment simply doesn't want to know.
    A massive swath of public expenditure is today spent on the 'replacement' mass invasion.

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    They forget and purposefully fail to mention suffering from disease such as a cancer or other such pain. I refuse to sit back judge when someone has or has not had enough. They get to decide

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    the Gap Sydney the area


    The Gap (Sydney)







    The Gap is an ocean cliff on the South Head peninsula in eastern Sydney, New South Wales, Australia. The area, which faces the Tasman Sea, is located in the eastern suburb of Watsons Bay, in the Municipality of Woollahra, near South Head. Although the cliff is a popular visitor destination, it has an infamy for suicides.

    History


    Prior to European settlement, The Gap was inhabited by the Birrabirragal Aboriginal clan who were part of the coastal Darug people. Shortly after the arrival of the First Fleet in 1788, the British established a makeshift signalling station on the ridge above The Gap. Its role was to give early warning to the colony of any approaching ship. A formal signal station was established in 1790, serviced by a bridle trail that developed into the Old South Head Road by 1811. Pilots based at Camp Cove in Watsons Bay would meet ships at the entrance to Port Jackson in order to guide them safely into Sydney harbour. [1]

    In 1871, a year after the official withdrawal of Imperial British forces, the headland around The Gap became a military garrison when work began to build coastal artillery emplacements to defend the Port of Sydney. Construction was undertaken by the colonial government's militiaunder the command of British military engineers. The first barracks, which were occupied by members of the New South Wales Artillery, were completed by 1877. Extensions were added in 1880 to accommodate additional personnel. Many of the early barracks are still standing near The Gap.[2]

    By 1895, the area was being used by the fledgling Australian Army as a gunnery school. In 1942 the Royal Australian Navy had established a radar training school nearby.[3] The facility was initially named HMAS Radar, but was later commissioned as HMAS Watson on 14 March 1945. Torpedo and anti-submarine warfare training were relocated to Watson in 1956.[4] Visitors are sometimes permitted to visit the clifftop chapel that was dedicated in 1962 to service personnel who served at The Gap. The Gap has been part of Sydney Harbour National Park since 1982. In 1990, the area was opened to the public to offer access to the spectacular cliff views and walks.


    Ship wreck

    In 1857 the sailing ship Dunbar carrying 63 passengers and 59 crew struck the rocky cliff at the foot of The Gap. The Dunbar, which was captained by James Green, had left England on 31 May 1857 arriving off Botany Bay shortly after dark on 20 August 1857.[5] In poor visibility and stormy weather, Captain Green misjudged the entrance to the harbour. The Dunbar drove into the rocky cliff at the foot of The Gap causing the ship's topmasts to snap and the ship to turn broadside against the rocks because of the pounding of the waves. By light next day, crowds watched as breakers pounded victims' corpses against the rocks. Other bodies amid cargo and wreckage were washed inside Sydney harbour with the incoming tide; many of the dead were naked and had been mutilated by sharks.[6] The funeral of the Dunbar victims was one of the longest processions ever seen in Sydney. The unidentified dead were buried in a common grave at Camperdown cemetery.

    A young sailor named James Johnson was the only survivor. He was rescued after clinging to a rocky ledge below The Gap for 36 hours. Johnson, who was later employed at the lighthouse near Newcastle, rescued another lone survivor from the wreckage of the steamer, SS Cawarra, in July 1866.

    The Dunbar's anchor was recovered more than fifty years later and placed on the cliffs at Watsons Bay with a memorial tablet.


    Geology, fauna and flora

    The Gap is formed from Sydney sandstone making it part of Sydney basin. The cliff was laid as sediment more than 200 million years ago in the Triassic period. During the Jurassicera, 40 million years later, a cataclysmic event resulted in an enormous crack forming within the strata. This fault allowed erosion from wave action to create the cliff line around Sydney. Tessellated basalt rock platforms lie at the base of the cliff because The Gap is bordered to the south and west by an older sequence of largely low-grade metamorphic and granitic rocks of the Lachlan Fold Belt. Northwards these rocks pass into the Hunter Region sequence that is transitional between the Sydney Basin and New England Fold Belt. The Gap itself forms a sequence that continues offshore to the edge of the Sahul Shelf. The total maximum thickness of rock formations within the Sydney Basin are in depth ranges of 5,000 metres (16,000 ft).

    The rock is a very porous stone. It is composed of very pure silica grains and a small amount of the iron mineral siderite in varying proportions, bound with a clay matrix. The Gap's warm yellow-brown colour is due to oxidation of the stone.[8]

    Skinks and eastern water dragons can often be seen moving among the rocks. Seabirds, such as the silver gull and the Pacific gull use the cliff for nesting sites.[9] The sandstone cliff has created nutrient-poor soils similar to those found around Sydney.[10] As nutrients are scarce, plants which survive on The Gap cannot afford to lose leaves to herbivores so they defend their foliage with toxins. Vegetation includes the eucalypts which produces such toxins.[8]


    Suicide location

    The Gap is a well known place for suicides in Australia. The tall cliffs have made it a location for those wishing to end their lives. Between 2008 and 2011 numerous measures have been implemented to dissuade those at risk of suicide, these include security cameras to monitor the area, several purpose-built Lifeline counselling phone booths, and information boards from the Black Dog Institute and Beyondblue. An inward-leaning fence has also been erected to deter people from jumping.

    On the afternoon of 20 April 1936, noted Australian diarist Meta Truscott recorded how she and her uncle, Christopher Dunne, witnessed a suicide at The Gap. By chance, the pair shared a bench with a well-dressed, middle-aged man who was later identified as William Albert Swivell. As the three watched a ship sail through the Sydney Heads, her uncle asked the man if he knew its name, to which Swivell replied, "The Nieuw Holland." Soon afterwards, the smartly-dressed man stood up and walked away; he climbed to the top of the cliff and jumped to his death.[11][12][13]

    In June 1995, a 24-year-old model, Caroline Byrne, fell to her death at The Gap. Due to the notoriety of the area, police did not initially suspect foul play. However, in 2008, her then-boyfriend was convicted of pushing her over the edge.[14] He was later acquitted of murder in February 2012.[15]

    In November 2007, Charmaine Dragun, a 29-year-old newsreader who worked for 10 News First, jumped from The Gap after battling depression and anorexia.[16]


    Angel of The Gap

    In 2009, Don Ritchie, a former Second World War Naval veteran and retired insurance agent, was awarded a Medal of the Order of Australia for preventing suicides at The Gap.[17]From 1964, Ritchie saved 164 people from jumping from the cliffs by crossing the road from his property and engaging them in conversation, often beginning with the words, "Can I help you in some way?" Afterwards Ritchie would invite them back to his home for a cup of tea and a chat. Some would return years later to thank him for his efforts in talking them out of their decision. Ritchie, who was nicknamed the "Angel of The Gap", died in May 2012.[18]

    The Gap (Sydney) - Wikipedia



    "the notoriety of the area" - Should there be publicity about the area and the deeds?

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    Beachy Head was always the spot chosen for this particular type of suicide in England ...



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    'Cliffs of Moher’

    Never associated the ‘Cliffs of Moher’ Clare, Ireland with suicide.

    Should there be publicity about the area and the deeds?

    I have a health respect for heights, verging to vertigo.


    Cliffs of Moher
    rise to 702 feet (214 m) at their highest point and range for 8 kms (5 miles) over the Atlantic ocean.


    For some of you intending to holiday in Ireland soon these lines are the most important I will write and you will read for the rest of the year. I am shocked to be penning this message, but if it saves a life I will be doing a very good deed indeed.

    The message is stark and simple. If you or anyone in your party is in a low state of mind, or has a pressing personal problem of any kind in their lives, DO NOT VISIT THE CLIFFS OF MOHER ON THE CLARE COAST.

    I speak from long experience.

    They recovered another body from below the famed cliffs a few evenings ago. The rescuers have been doing that on an increasingly regular basis for years now.

    There was always a suicide toll at this awe-inspiring wonder of nature but, beyond doubt, for those with troubled minds, the Cliffs of Moher has become even more dangerous with every year that passes.

    Typically a lone person travels in their car to the car park at the magnificently developed visitor center, which now attracts hundreds of thousands of visitors annually. Typically their friends and families have no warning that a tragedy is imminent.

    Often it is the deserted car, alone in the car park, early the following morning which tips off the locals to the possibility of a tragedy having happened again during the dark hours. Typically, too, those who take the long horrific fall leave a suicide note in their cars. It is a weird ritual by now.

    Typically, and horribly also, the recovery of their broken bodies, even for the experts, is a very difficult task, especially if the weather is bad. Often it takes weeks rather than days before there is recovery. I think some of the lost souls are never recovered at all, God love them.

    I have reported down the years on some of the suicides at Moher. I have seen a couple of bodies away down below in the surf line after the events.

    One sight that stays with me is that of a female body wearing a bright red dress, tossing and turning in heavy seas which prevented the rescuers from reaching her. I will never forget that sight.
    Her story later emerged and it was almost standard for the scenario. She was a middle-aged Dubliner, with no mental or personal problems her family and friends were aware of, and she travelled down to Moher as a passenger on a coach tour.

    She was missing when the party boarded the coach again after viewing the mighty cliffs and enjoying one of the most scenic vistas along the Wild Atlantic Way that has been so successful as a tourist attraction in recent years. There was no warning for anyone who traveled with her about her dread intentions.

    I think I told ye before about a conversation with a Cork taxi driver who picked up a male fare in Cork city a few years ago. The thirty-something passenger was a pleasant young man who talked freely about life and sport on the journey.

    Initially he said he wished to go to nearby Lahinch resort but, when they reached there, he changed his mind, said the taxi driver, and asked to be brought the few extra miles to Moher. When they arrived there he paid the agreed fare, gave his bottle of water to the driver, and wished him safe home. Then he went off to his death just like that.

    I've stood on the verge of the attraction myself many times down the years. Before the splendid visitor center was established you could position yourself right on the edge of the fearful void and look downwards at the foaming Atlantic far below.

    Personally, I've always thought how dreadful it would be to trip and accidentally take the final tumble. There is certainly for most a high level of awe and wonder and fear involved in standing there.

    For some, clearly, there is much more.

    Nowadays it is not really possible to have an accidental fall because of the fencing. Those who go over, tragically, are doing so deliberately. And it is happening far too often.

    Accordingly, on any occasion now when I hear of another broken body being brought ashore by the dedicated first-responders, the phrase which leaps into my mind is “the terrible beauty..."

    And that is why I am writing this way this week of the peak holiday season. The stupendous sight of the Cliffs of Moher is totally worthwhile and stimulating for almost all who come there.

    But far too often, also, there are the lonesome cars at dawn in the car park or nearby. And the notes on the dashboard.

    Isn't there an old saying, “See Naples and die…” Truly there is a wider context, for whatever reason.

    Be careful out there.

    The tragic reality of deaths at the Cliffs of Moher 16 Feb 2019.


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