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    Lightbulb Similarities Between Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings and Starwars

    THERE ARE SO MANY SIMILARITIES. jk rowling pretty much read LOTR and decided to write her own version.
    1. The two giant spiders
    2. Voldemort is seeking the horcruxes to regain physical shape. Sauron needs the ring to regain physical shape
    3. Gandalf is the greatest wizard fighting evil and he guides Frodo. Dumbledore is the greatest wizard fighting evil and he guides Harry.
    4. Frodo's parents died and he lived with his Uncle, Bilbo. Harry's parents died so he lived with his Aunt and Uncle.
    5. Voldemort is "He who must not be named". Sauron is referred to as "He whom we do not name" by Faramir.
    6. Gollum and Dobby look alike, are servants to Frodo/Harry. And they both talk in third person.
    7. Dementors are hooded creatures (looking almost identical) and they make others around them utterly disturbed. A patronus driven by magic rids the Dementors while Gandalf uses his magical staff to drive them away by portraying a bright light.
    8. Pensieve - you can see thoughts by looking into a bowl of "water". Galadriel's Mirror - look into this bowl of water to see the past and other things.
    9. Whomping Willow from Harry Potter and Old Man Willow from Lord of the Rings.
    10. Wormtail betrays Harry's parents to work for Voldemort. Wormtongue betrays King Theoden to work for Sauron.
    http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1995800.aspx

    Evil sorceror referred to as "Dark Lord" who desires to regain physical shape Voldemort Sauron

    Wise old mentor with a long gray beard and a wizard hat Dumbledore Gandalf

    A birthday sets off events Harry's 11th Frodo's 33rd and Bilbo's 111th

    Inherited invisibility device Cloak Ring (although the Ring takes you to a different 'world')

    Dog named Fang Owned by Hagrid
    Owned by Farmer Maggot

    Evil, creepy hooded creatures Dementors Nazgul

    Deceased parents Harry's parents were murdered Frodo's parents drowned

    Taken to live with uncle Harry lives with his Uncle Vernon and Aunt Petunia Frodo lives with his Uncle Bilbo (film version - second cousin once removed in the book)

    Giant Spider Aragog Shelob
    Bad guy with a "wormy" name Peter Pettigrew (Wormtail) Grima (Wormtongue)

    Longbottom :
    Neville Longbottom who excels at Herbology
    Tobold Hornblower from Longbottom who knows much about herbs and pipe-weed

    Fight with a troll :
    Harry, Ron and Hermione fight a troll on Halloween
    The Fellowship of the Ring fight a troll

    Dark forest
    Forbidden Forest
    Old forest just outside of the Shire

    "Elves" describing a race of people
    House elves act as servants
    A race of peoples from Middle Earth

    Small, pitiable creature who talks in third person Dobby Gollum

    Goblins: Run wizarding bank Gringotts
    One of the evil races of middle earth (otherwise known as Orcs everywhere except in The Hobbit)

    Holder of the keys:
    Hagrid (Keeper of the Keys) Hurin (Warden of the Keys)

    Mischievous pair Fred & George Weasley Merry and Pippin (film version) Forbidden language Saying "Voldemort" Black Speech of Mordor

    Dangerous willow tree Whomping Willow Old Man Willow
    Basin of seeing Pensieve Galadriel's Mirror

    Powerful, life-saving swords Godric Gryffindor's sword Anduril

    Scar on forehead Harry Merry

    Do not disturb water because of... The giant squid Watcher in the Water

    Longed for safe-haven During the summer
    Harry wishes he was back at Hogwarts
    On their quest,
    the hobbits long to be back in the safety of the Shire.

    Scar from Evil forces Harry's scar on forehead Frodo's scar from the Morgul Blade
    http://www.mugglenet.com/hpvslotr.shtml


    Special Object
    The One Ring is the object that the hero must prevent the villian from getting, so as to regain his full powers
    The Sorcerer's Stone is the same

    Giant raptor bird A giant eagle saves Gandalf from Isengard In the Prisoner of Azkaban, Buckbeak is a giant raptor helping Harry and friends


    Dragon In the Hobbit, the prelude to The Lord of the Rings, the dragon Smaug is Bilbo Baggins adversary In Harry Potter Chamber of Secrets, there is a dragon like reptilian monster, the Basilisk, whom Harry has to slay

    "As long as it survives so will He"
    As long as the Rings survives Sauron will. As long as the objects will Voldemort's soul in it survive so will he.
    http://baheyeldin.com/literature/jk-...r-tolkien.html

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    Harry Potter / Luke Skywalker - Both Harry and Luke are orphans (or at least Luke appears to be). Neither one really knows what happened to their parents. They never knew them, either. Luke and Harry both live with their Aunt and Uncle in a life that is tedious, boring, and unexciting. They long for something more in life. Their lives are both turned upside down one day when a strange character (Hagrid or Obi-Wan Kenobi) arrives to tell them the truth about their background, parents, and true potential. Luke and Harry both discover that they have strong potential in magic or the Force. As both characters rise above great danger to save their friends from certain doom, we get a glimpse of the great future ahead of them.

    Voldemort / The Emperor- Voldemort is an evil sorcerer who killed Harry Potter's parents. You could say the Emperor killed Luke's father, Anakin. Voldemort and the Emperor both want to rule the world and they will do anything to make that happen. Voldemort kills many wizards and witches. The Emperor kills many Jedi. Both Voldemort and the Emperor have evil minions who do their bidding. Both are masters of the Dark Side. At one point, when talking about Voldemort, Harry Potter yells out, "I'm never going over to the Dark Side!" Sound familiar? In the end, both evil characters were defeated by one thing - love. Voldemort is defeated because of Harry's mother's love for him. The Emperor is defeated because of Anakin's love for Luke.

    Professor Dumbledore / Obi-Wan Kenobi - Dumbledore is kind of the guardian and mentor of Harry Potter. Obi-Wan is the guardian and mentor for Luke. Both characters know the full histories of our heroes, but they're not quite willing to tell them everything yet. Dumbledore rescued baby Harry after his encounter with Voldemort and delivered him to Aunt Petunia and Uncle Vernon. Kenobi rescued Luke and hid him from the Emperor with Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru.



    Hogwarts / The Jedi Temple - Hogwarts is the boarding school where children go to learn magic and become wizards. The Jedi Temple is where young children go to learn about the Force and become Jedi. Both places are run by masters who teach the children their basic lessons.

    Magic / The Force - Only certain special people in the Harry Potter world have the potential to become wizards and witches. Same with the Jedi. Nobody believes in magic in Harry Potter's real world. Most people in the Star Wars Universe don't believe in the Force. Both are considered hocus pocus and a bogus religion. Both allow users to do extraordinary things.

    Magic Wands / Lightsabers - In the Harry Potter books, wizards use magic wands as special tools to help them manifest their powers. The Jedi use lightsabers as their tools of the trade. Wands and lightsabers are unique to the individual users. Both pick theirs out based on unique personal criteria.

    Flying Brooms / Starships - Brooms are the vehicle of choice among wizards and witches. Starships are the vehicle of choice in Star Wars. In both worlds the vehicles are customized to be tough and fast. And the faster, the better. Wizards casually chat about the latest and fastest model of flying broom. Stormtroopers casually chat about the latest model of ship.



    Quidditch / Pod Racing - Quidditch is a dangerous sport played on flying brooms by half insane competitors. It is fast, furious, and someone can easily be killed if they don't pay attention. Cheating and rough play is not unheard of. Pod Racing has a different form of play and objective, but in the end they are very similar. Both sports are played with the fastest and best models of brooms or pods. There is also a lot of betting done on both sports.

    Uncle Owen / Uncle Vernon - Both characters took in their nephews after a time of crisis and both knew the truth about their parents yet refused to tell them. Owen thought Luke's father was foolish to run off and become a Jedi. Aunt Petunia and Uncle Vernon both thought Harry's mother was foolish to go off to become a wizard. In fact, at one point Aunt Petunia says, "I was the only one who saw her for what she was - a freak!" They refuse to let Harry go to Hogwarts, and Uncle Owen refuses to let Luke go to the Academy. There is one key difference between Uncle Owen and Uncle Vernon. Owen seemed to genuinely love Luke and take care of him. Vernon hated Harry and treated him slightly better than an animal.

    Wizards & Witches / Jedi - Both Jedi and wizards are treated as oddities in the real world. Wizards are looked at as freaks or eccentric kooks. Jedi are looked at as people following "hokey religions". Uncle Owen even calls Obi-Wan a "crazy wizard". In both worlds the characters wear hooded robes as standard uniform.

    Death Eaters / Sith - There are minions of evil in both worlds. The Death Eaters are the followers of Voldemort. Darth Maul is the minion of Darth Sidious (or The Emperor). In both worlds the characters are followers of the "Dark Side" and they practice an evil form of wizardry or the Force. Both Darth Maul and a Death Eater in the Sorcerer's Stone wear black, hooded cloaks.

    Ministry of Magic / Jedi Council - In the Harry Potter books a group of wizards watches over the mystical realm and makes important decisions about what goes on. In Star Wars, the Jedi Council is a ruling group of the most powerful Jedi that make important decisions in matters of the Force.

    Ghosts / Jedi Spirits - Ghosts occasionally appear in both worlds. Jedi Spirits occasionally return to guide and help Luke. Ghosts at Hogwarts act as guardians of students in various dorms. However, in the Harry Potter world they appear more frequently and are sometimes considered more of as a nuisance.

    Owls / Droids - In the Harry Potter world, wizards use owls to transport messages. They also act as companions and pets to the wizards. In Star Wars, Luke has R2-D2. He is a companion to Luke and even helped Princess Leia transport a message.
    http://www.theforce.net/rouser/essays/harry-potter.asp

    1) Luke is told his parents are dead. (His mother is dead, and the man who was Anakin Skywalker certainly is as well.) Harry Potter's parents are dead.

    2) Luke's parents died because of a struggle with the "dark side" of the Force. Harry's parents died at the hands of a dark wizard.

    3) Luke is sent to live with his aunt and uncle, who don't approve of the life his father lead. Harry is sent to live with his aunt and uncle, who don't approve of the life either of his parents lead.

    4) Luke doesn't feel he fits in on Tatooine, and wants desperately to explore. Harry doesn't feel like he fits in in Surrey, or in the Muggle world, and wants desperately to get out.

    5) Luke eventually finds a surrogate father in Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi, who is killed by Darth Vader, on the dark side of the Force. Harry eventually finds a surrogate father in Sirius Black, his godfather, who is killed by dark wizards.

    6) Luke is a whiz at flying. Harry is a wizard who's a natural on a broom.

    7) Luke's best friends are a male and female. Harry's best friends are a male and female.

    8) Luke's best male friend is Han. Harry's best male friend is Ron.

    9) Luke must choose not to join the dark side of the Force. Harry must choose not to join Slytherin, and not to become a dark wizard.

    10) Luke must slay the Death Star. Harry must slay the basilisk.

    11) Luke waves a light saber. Harry waves a wand.

    12) Luke can speak Wookie. Harry can speak Parselmouth.

    13) Gifted youths who are strong in the Force are sent to the Jedi Academy. Gifted youths who are witches or wizards are sent to Hogwarts.

    14) A very old, very wise, very powerful leader and teacher is Yoda. A very old, very wise, very powerful leader and teacher is Albus Dumbledore.

    15) Luke is viewed as the Jedi's last hope to defeat the Empire. Ditto for Harry defeating Lord Voldemort.

    16) Luke and the other Jedi must battle a Sith Lord (Lord Vader, Count Dooku, the Emperor himself, etc.). Harry must battle Lord Voldemort.

    17) Anakin Skywalker takes on a new name when he turns to the dark side. Tom Riddle takes on a new name when he becomes a dark wizard.

    18) Luke was permanently "scarred" (lost his hand) in a battle with a dark lord (Vader). Harry was permanently scarred in his battle with the dark lord (Voldemort).

    19) The ultimate dark lord in each story has a last name beginning with "V."

    http://home.moravian.edu/users/music...starpotter.htm

    10. Orphaned by a Dark Lord Luke Skywalker and Harry Potter both grew up wistfully curious about the parents they never knew.

    9. As children, both Harry Potter and Luke Skywalker lived under the hidden protection of an aunt and uncle, longing for a better life.

    8. The main villains of the Star Wars and Harry Potter universes often change their names, personalities and even appearances upon turning to the dark side.

    7. The Emperor and Voldemort were both obsessed with immortality, eventually returning from death to continue their quest for eternal life and unlimited power.

    6. Luke Skywalker and Harry Potter both had a male friend and female friend who initially annoyed each other and bickered often, but ultimately fell in love and got married after hiding their true feelings for years.

    5. Being associated with either Luke Skywalker or Harry Potter can be hazardous — both had teachers who were murdered, both had friends who were frozen by the enemy and both had family members who were caught in the crossfire.

    4. Harry Potter and Luke Skywalker, like their fathers before them, were both gifted pilots who displayed special talents long before they knew of their hidden abilities.

    3. Both Luke Skywalker and Harry Potter suffered a string of physical injuries that left them permanently scarred.

    2. Star Wars and Harry Potter both featured a wide variety of height-challenged characters and species — and Warwick Davis portrayed many of them.

    1. Harry Potter and Luke Skywalker both received mystical heirlooms left behind by their late fathers, presented to them by elderly mentors.
    http://www.noelgreen.com/2007/12/sim...star-wars.html

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    Yoda Gollum (greenish, pointy-eared, raggedy midget with a speech impediment)

    Obi-Wan and Luke's lightsabers glow blue. Darth's lightsaber glows red. Gandalf and Bilbo's magic swords glow blue. The Balrog's magic sword flames red.

    Obi-Wan Kenobi Gandalf Darth Vader The Witch-King Emperor Palpatine Sauron

    Obi-Wan digs Anakin's lightsaber out of an old wooden box, gives to Luke Bilbo digs his magic sword out of an old wooden box, gives to Frodo


    Darth cuts off Luke's hand, which plunges into the abyss with Luke's lightsaber Gollum bites off Frodo's finger, which plunges into the abyss with the One Ring


    Yoda foretells the future, and Luke must decide whether to help his friends or not. Yoda warns that he's seen only one possible future. Galadriel foretells the future, and Sam must decide whether to help his friends or not. Galadriel warns that she's seen only one possible future.


    Darth tries to convince Luke to join the dark side, thereby bringing order to the galaxy Saruman tries to convince Gandalf to join the evil wizards, thereby bringing order to Middle Earth


    Mysterious figure throws back hood of robe to reveal that he's Obi-Wan Mysterious figure throws back hood of robe to reveal that he's Gandalf


    Luke: "I shouldn't have come, I'm endangering the mission." (Because Darth can sense him)
    Glorfindel: "It is you, Frodo, and that which you bear that brings us into peril." (Because Sauron can sense the One Ring)

    Luke watches from across a chasm as his mentor Obi-Wan duels with Darth Vader using blue and red lightsabers Frodo watches from across a chasm as his mentor Gandalf duels with a Balrog using blue and red flaming magic swords

    Heroes are walking through a forest when they're surprised by ewoks, captured at spear-point, then taken to a village in the trees
    Heroes are walking through a forest when they're surprised by elves, captured at arrow-point, then taken to a village in the trees
    http://moongadget.com/origins/lotr.html

    Christopher Lee. hahahaha! But seriously both his parts as Dooku and Sauraman where very similair. The second in command of all evil. Walked away from the "good or light" side. I kept waiting for him to yell down from the tower to the ents. "Then my friends, it is finished" to the ents
    1) Obi-Wan is paralleled by Gandolf

    2) Luke is Frodo, finding out a "family secret", and possessing a mystical power.

    3) the dark riders are sith lords in all but name, possessing the same power as Frodo, dark and menacing.

    4) Sauron does not appear in the books other than by inference, for all intents and purposes neither does the Emperor

    5) in creating the PT, Lucas was going back and trying to create back story for the OT, in a similar way, the silmarillion was published after LOTR.

    6) The relationship between Legolas and Gimli is mirrored in the antagonistic relationship of C3P0 and R2D2

    7) Allusions are made to the Sith and when they ruled the galaxy before, much like the second darkness

    8) the political bribery of the PT is similar in how some race are bought by sauron, including saruman and Denethor

    9) Anakin betrays the jedi order from within, Saruman betrays the white council, once being fair, he is corrupted by the power of the ring.

    10) the idea of primitive societies overcoming technologically advanced ones with the Ewoks in ROTJ is mirrored when the ents invade isengard.

    11) Gandalf is killed in a great battle, yet he comes back, so does Obi-wan, not only this, but that happens in the first book and the first film of the OT

    12) When Gandalf falls, he says "fly you fools", when Obi-Wan "falls" he says "Run Luke"

    13) Sauron's hand was cut off by Isildur, this sword was then passed on to Aragorn and was of great importance, Luke cuts off Vaders hand which defeats him, Luke's lightsaber is of great importance(i know he made a new one)

    14) Palpatine deceives the senate into giving him power, Sauron was labelled, "The deceiver" by the elves as he deceived all of the races of middle earth.

    15) Only those chosen could go to the undying lands, those who had bore the ring, they would live forever, only those chosen would retain their form after death.

    16) the last book is called Return of the King, the last film is called, Return of the Jedi, both are about a long forgotten order Jedi/line of Gondor returning after defeating evil.
    http://boards.theforce.net/star_wars...6/20431607/p1/

    http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/off-...nd-lotr/15797/

    http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze49p8r/starwars.htm

    Eragon often pointed out the similarities to other works such as The Lord of the Rings and Star Wars.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eragon

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    Yes she is a PC cheap copy with no folk loyalty and she is anti preservation. Tolkien was highly aware of folk and race roots and a lot of his writings talk of the dangers of the thinning of blood.

    Rowlings however champions thinning of bloods through the turm "mud blood" being applied to heroes. Mix race is seen as positive and the implication is that only evil people think otherwise.

    Her books are entertaining but negative for children and a true product of the multicult. Tolkien would be shouted down in modern times.

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    Post Eragon and Narnia

    http://www.sporcle.com/games/Ravens2...es_LOTR_Eragon

    Critics also claim that the plot line of the Inheritance Cycle is similar to that of Star Wars.

    Main article: The Star Wars Connection
    Eragon Star Wars
    Morzan, the idol of Brom, turns evil at the time of the Fall of the Riders. Anakin, a best friend to Obi-Wan, turns evil at the time of the Great Jedi Purge.
    Galbatorix convinces Morzan and twelve others to betray the Dragon Riders and create an Empire. Palpatine convinces Anakin to betray the Jedi and create an Empire.
    Morzan was married to Selena, who had two children (although of different ages, and one was with Brom). Anakin was married to Padme with whom he had twins. They were separated when they were young.
    Eragon, a poor farm boy, was brought up by his uncle. Luke, a poor farm boy, was brought up by his uncle and aunt.
    Princess Arya, an enemy of the Empire, sent a dragon egg to Brom when she was attacked. Princess Leia, an enemy of the Empire, sent a message to Obi-Wan Kenobi when she was attacked.
    Eragon found the dragon egg and his uncle was later killed by the Ra'zac. Luke found the special message and returned home to find his uncle and aunt killed by Imperial forces.
    Eragon met supposedly the last of an old order of Dragon Riders who taught him the ways of the old order. Luke met supposedly the last of an old order of Jedi who taught him the ways of the old order.
    Brom passed the sword of Morzan onto Eragon. Obi-Wan passed the lightsaber of Anakin onto Luke.
    Eragon and Brom met Murtagh, a loner trying to evade the empire and track the Ra'zac, who saved them from getting killed by the Ra'zac. Luke and Obi-Wan met Han Solo, a wandering mercenary and his sidekick Chewbacca, who saved them from their predicament.
    Brom died early on in the series trying to protect Eragon. Obi-Wan died early on in the series trying to protect Luke.
    Murtagh and Eragon rescued Arya from a prison and later found out the elf was a princess. Han Solo and Luke rescued the Princess Leia from the Death Star.
    Eragon went to the distant Du Weldenvarden to train with another Dragon Rider. Luke went to the distant Dagobah system to train with another Jedi.
    Eragon found out that the Varden was in trouble and left Oromis to go help them. Luke sensed that his friends were in trouble and left Yoda to go help them.
    It was revealed by Murtagh during the Battle of the Burning Plains that Morzan was Eragon’s father, (which, as revealed in Brisingr, he really was not). It was revealed by Darth Vader during the Subjugation of Bespin that he was Luke’s father.
    The Dragon Riders were advised by a Council of Elders, one of which was Oromis, Eragon's teacher. The Jedi Order was governed by the Jedi Council, one of which was Yoda, Luke's teacher.
    Eragon made himself Brisingr, a new blade with help from Rhunön. Luke made himself a green lightsaber, with help from R2-D2.

    Similarities to TolkienEdit
    Many critics hold that some of the story’s aspects come directly from J. R. R. Tolkien, such as the following:

    ■The elves of both Tolkien and Paolini are tall, beautiful, immortal, and have keen senses. As well as being proficient at archery. Additionally, these elves have strong bonds with nature and some live in the trees. As some Elves returned to Middle-earth in Tolkien’s legendarium, Paolini’s elves came from a land over the seas, do not sleep, and the only way to death for them is through a wound or heartbreak.
    ■Another similarity is the quote of Paolini’s elvish queen Islanzadí, "I am diminished." and the quote of the Tolkien’s elven Lady Galadriel, "I will diminish."
    ■Critics also see similarities in the dwarven race. The concept of a gruff mining race is found in the works of both authors. The elves and dwarves in both cases do not get along, but for different reasons. But in many things with dwarves they are portrayed as a mining race.
    ■Surda is also comparable to Gondor, the Man Kingdom at the borders of the evil lands.
    ■Many also see the forbidden love between Arya and Eragon as a reproduction of the love between Arwen and Aragorn.
    ■Many have made comparisons between the evil races of both stories: Ra'zac and Nazgûl, the Lethrblaka and Fell Beasts, the Urgals and Orcs, and the Kull and Uruk-hai.
    ■Critics furthermore believe that Paolini directly copied names from the works of Tolkien or just switched some letters around. The following is a list of possible such names:
    ■Angrenost – king of the Broddring Kingdom
    ■Angrenost – Elvish name for Isengard
    ■Ardwen – lake of Alagaësia
    ■Arwen – elven noblewoman
    ■Eragon – hero of the Inheritance cycle
    ■Aragorn – a hero of The Lord of the Rings
    (Note: Aragon is a region of Spain, and Christopher Paolini has stated that the name came from the word dragon.)

    ■Beorn - the elves' name for a cave bear unique to the Beors
    ■Beorn - a character in 'The Hobbit' who had the power to transform into a bear
    (Note: Beorn is also an Old Norse word meaning bear.)

    ■Celbedeil - a dwarvish temple
    ■Celebdil - a peak of the Misty Mountains
    ■Ceranthor – an elvish monarch
    ■Caranthir – one of the sons of Fëanor
    ■Elessari – a member of the Council of Elders
    ■Elessar – title of Aragorn
    ■Eridor – a former dragon
    ■Eriador – a region of northern Middle-earth
    ■Faelnirv - an elven drink
    ■Faelivrin - Gwindor's name for Finduilas
    ■Furnost – minor town in Alagaësia
    ■Fornost – a deserted city in Middle-earth
    ■Gil'ead – an ancient elven city in Alagaësia
    ■Gil-galad – High King of the Ñoldorin Elves
    (Note: Gilead is a mountainous region east of the Jordan River, situated in the Kingdom of Jordan.)
    ■Hadarac – a desert in Alagaësia
    ■Harad – a desert in Middle-earth
    ■Inzilbêth – the province where Galbatorix was born
    ■Inzilbêth – a queen of Númenor
    ■Isenstar – a lake of Alagaësia
    ■Isengard – a large fortress of Middle-earth
    http://inheritance.wikia.com/wiki/Cr...eritance_Cycle
    http://impishidea.com/criticism/26/e...ars-plot-recap

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    Close similarities between Narnia and Middle Earth
    I know this is a subject that has been touched on countless times, with the relationship between the authors, the mutual fans of both books and the impending and released movies, but I thought it would be interesting to start a thread on the similarities between the two authors' very different worlds. It could be intriguing should anybody be able to shed light on who "borrowed" from whom. Regardless, here are a handful of noted matches between the two highly enjoyable and classic tales.
    •Narnia sees Puddleglum and his human charges travel to Harfang, their journey taking them across the Ettensmoor. Tolkien includes in his books the location of Ettinmuir
    •In the same journey in The Silver Chair, the travellers run a gauntlet down a ravine populated by several giants who initially appear to be stone, and indeed in the BBC dramatisation are interpreted as almost completely stone. Tolkien includes in The Hobbit his (almost entirely abandoned) "stone giants". I cannot remember if they are throwing stones around like Lewis' giants, but I have my suspicions...
    •The Silver Chair itself, the instrument of sorcerous control and torture depicted in Lewis' book of the same name, bears in my mind striking resemblences to Morgoth's chair in which he places Hurin. Indeed the entire story of Rillian matches aspects of Hurin's tale, including the ploy of an enemy using a heroic king against his own people (though I cannot suggest Morgoth's chair to be silver, nice as it would be!). The juxtaposition of having one king betray his people through his knowledge (Hurin) and the other (Rillian) almost betray his people through lack of knowledge is also interesting.
    •The (already commonly discussed) use of the word Bree, as the nickname of Shasta's horse and Tolkien's famous village.
    •The already discussed creation, both mythologies of which have music as the catalyst for the world's birth.
    •A very touchy point, but Lewis uses the dark-skinned Calormenes as some of his arch-villains, while Tolkien's "swarthy" Easterlings skim very close to the same unsavoury insinuations. Sorry if that point was either tasteless or offensive.
    •Cair Paravel, Narnia's capital city and the seat of the High King's power is also referred to as a fortress. Tolkien's much lower profile fortress Cair Andros has a very similar name, and the "Cair" can reasonably be assumed to be some sort of linguistic reference to its function (I don't speak elvish )
    •King Caspian the Tenth is known as Caspian the seafarer, and speaks of the Telmarine golden age of seafarers, which his own father Caspian IX participated in. Indeed, it is his own voyage in the Dawn Treader gives him his nautical moniker, one similar perhaps in feel to the Numenorean "Sea Kings" (I believe they were called in the Akallabeth?). Perhaps a weaker point, but one worthy of discussion or notice, surely?
    •In Prince Caspian more than other books, the trees live and awake. While this is a feature of Narnia from the beginning ("Be talking waters. Be walking trees"), the trees behave in a very entish way in this book that I feel cannot be overlooked.
    •The general geography is similar enough. A large land mass bordered on one side by an ocean, distant and largely unexplored desert to the south, mountains to the north, a distant and eternal country (Valinor/Aslan's Country hold many similarities) far across the only ocean, impossible to visit save for those chosen by the gods (Aslan in a vision summons Reepicheep, then allows Eustace and Jill to be sucked across from their world, and we all know about Earendil )
    •This last is a much weaker point, and one that I cannot base on literary reference, rather describing my own thoughts on the books. Roonwit, the centaur in The Last Battle, I have personally always equated with Tom Bombadil. He is an old and wise creature and noble, though the chief similarity is rather the way that he interdicts the main characters near the story's beginning and remains with them for a period of safety, preparing them before releasing them into the heart of adventure.
    Again, there are more similarities that are clearly enough rooted in other histories and mythologies that they need little mention here. Lewis' talking animals and Beren's hound are one instance that springs to mind. The dwarves and their strikingly similar characteristics, as well as the possible hidden messages in the books, which one can choose to either see or ignore as circumstantial. I would also note the similarity between the noble Eldar households and the Pevensy and other human children, who eventually become the mythological and revered kings and lords of Narnia in The Last Battle, easily equatable with Fingon and Fingolfin, or Glorfindel. Anyway, my aim is not to belittle either of the book series; I love them both, and it amazes me sometimes how many common facets each world shares with the other. Written at roughly the same time by colleague writers, it is perhaps an unsurprising observation, but I make it nonetheless. I'd love to see other links between the two, or even evidence of the inventor and the tribute-payer, but I imagine much of that will only ever be known by the authors themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgard View Post
    Yes she is a PC cheap copy with no folk loyalty and she is anti preservation. Tolkien was highly aware of folk and race roots and a lot of his writings talk of the dangers of the thinning of blood.

    Rowlings however champions thinning of bloods through the turm "mud blood" being applied to heroes. Mix race is seen as positive and the implication is that only evil people think otherwise.

    Her books are entertaining but negative for children and a true product of the multicult. Tolkien would be shouted down in modern times.
    I actually think the HP books are quite great for youngpeople to read. They are more anti-modernistic, heathen and traditional than anything! People are surrounded by multicult everyday anyway so that stuff become invisible in the Potter-books, whilst the magic, old-fashioned stuff becomes very visible. No Ipods, Playstations, MTV or McDonalds in the Potter-world, great for young readers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Méldmir View Post
    I actually think the HP books are quite great for youngpeople to read. They are more anti-modernistic, heathen and traditional than anything! People are surrounded by multicult everyday anyway so that stuff become invisible in the Potter-books, whilst the magic, old-fashioned stuff becomes very visible. No Ipods, Playstations, MTV or McDonalds in the Potter-world, great for young readers!
    No consumerism, however there is the promotion of race mixing. Since all the villains are concerned with the blood-purity of magic wielders. While the good guys see nothing wrong with weakening the blood. I will copy paste a review I had written for the last HP movie here :

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    What a disappointment. Even more so after the build up of part 1. And contrary to the first movie there was practically no dark atmosphere and way to much comic relief. And there was no real sense of loss. Also the taking of the cup from the bank vault was hardly trilling. And the protective spell felt a bit underpowered.

    The liberation of Hogwarths felt incredibly rushed and those two wizards in charge of discipline (called dangerous) got knocked out with one blow from a spell aimed at someone else.

    And then battle for the school. Really, I watched that movie and was almost rolling my eyes on how badly both the attack and the defense where executed. I can understand the defense, since most of them are teachers and students with practically no background in warfare or combat. But the Deathdealers, where acting facepalm worthy.

    The raising of the shield was good. Providing them with a much needed first layer of defense. Those rock soldiers looked nice and provided a good first rank on the front. The back, mining the bridge good. But is it necessary to have a guy standing on the other side to blow it up will he tries to outrun the enemy, one lucky shot and plans fails. Also how the bridge got stormed, just give me few guys with machine guns, with maybe some mages in the back to cover the magic angle, and those attackers would have been mowed down. Heck might even plant some mines in the field before the bridge.

    The frontal attack starts good with the magic artillery bombardment. But after the first impacts on the shield, Voldemort should have done what he did later in a fit of anger after the cup got destroyed, but then calmly. This would show the power of the ultimate wand. And made the search for the items more desperate and provide the proper atmosphere.

    The wand to wand combat was just horrible, it was just one big disorganized fight from the beginning. It would be logical that the teachers and students would have a hard time maintaining rank and fight as a whole instead of lose individuals, but one would expect that Voldemorts men would be better trained and disciplined, except for the quickly recruited rabble. Even more so considering the uniformed enforcers we have seen.

    And none of the main charters where under any real treat during the fighting, except for maybe those few that run away early one in the fight. And some scenes that where meant to provide something dramatic or heroic felt cheap, like how Harries girlfriend got saved by her mom when she was not in any real danger during that scene.

    Then at the height Voldemort orders a retreat when they where winning, because he does not want more magical blood to be lost. It gives insight in what his motives. Yes, he is power hungry. But those lines reveals what he is about, namely making sure the continued existence of people who can wield magic. Something he sees threatened by interbreeding with mundanes.

    Then the aftermath where Severus died, and they catch his tears. Return to school see all the wounded, and Harry just looked like he did not really care much not even considering one moment to sacrifice his live to save theres. Then dropping the tears in the bowl in Dumbledores room getting the flashbacks in to Severus past, getting to know why killed Dummbledore and that Severus loved Harries mom. Also getting to know that he also carries part of Voldemort soul. And only then decides to meet the demand.

    And in the forest, he then finds that plot convenient rock in the ball he got as an inheritage from Dumbledore, which just makes his sacrifice cheap. After he died his Lordship moves to the school asks them to join his side, more pointless comic relief. Would have been better if he offered the limping guy to heal his leg, or silencing his followers for laughing at the boy, but no. Then the speech about why they should fight on, which does not carry any really dramatic weight. And then Harry rolls on the ground, he lives. Because it is hard to notice someone who is breathing, must be the shock Haggard.eyes2: And guy with sword that plot appeared out of the plot convenient hat get blasted a few dozen feet away.

    Then more hooligan fighting. Harry engages into combat with Voldemort, snake and master get separated, friends try to stab snake with teeth. Some pretty undramatic wand blasting between those two, and the snake gets beheaded before its bite Herminie and Rom. Would have been more exciting if the snake was about to kill Potter and would have created more tension, because it create more the impression that Voldemort would be winning.

    Epiloque had a pretty big plot hole with Draco putting his children on the train. Might be dealt with in the books, but how did he avoid the stigma of being part of the inner circle of the loosing side, let alone being thrown in jail together with mom and dad. If you do not want to deal with it in the movie, then do not have him in the last scene.
    In all essence Harry Potter has nothing to do with what we are about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GroeneWolf View Post
    No consumerism, however there is the promotion of race mixing. Since all the villains are concerned with the blood-purity of magic wielders. While the good guys see nothing wrong with weakening the blood. I will copy paste a review I had written for the last HP movie here :



    In all essence Harry Potter has nothing to do with what we are about.
    Ah yes, but the books are better than the films when it comes to multiculti. I can only speak for myself, but reading the Potter-books, I became very interested in the "old world", a world without modern stuff, a world more in conncetion with myths and legends, and it made me more interested in history and traditions of N. Europe. I hardly reacted on the "pure blood" stuff, after all it was just fantasy and I drew no conncetions to our world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Méldmir View Post
    Ah yes, but the books are better than the films when it comes to multiculti. I can only speak for myself, but reading the Potter-books, I became very interested in the "old world", a world without modern stuff, a world more in conncetion with myths and legends, and it made me more interested in history and traditions of N. Europe.
    Then something good might have come from that. However that is not the intent of the author, whose message as I will quote below is one of tolerance and that wanting to preserve ones race is evil.

    I hardly reacted on the "pure blood" stuff, after all it was just fantasy and I drew no conncetions to our world.
    Which is something Rowling however does :

    Q: Many of us older readers have noticed over the years similarities between the Death Eaters tactics and the Nazis from the 30s and 40s. Did you use that historical era as a model for Voldemort's reign and what were the lessons that you hope to impart to the next generation?

    It was conscious. I think that if you're, I think most of us if you were asked to name a very evil regime we would think Nazi Germany. There were parallels in the ideology. I wanted Harry to leave our world and find exactly the same problems in the wizarding world. So you have the intent to impose a hierarchy, you have bigotry, and this notion of purity, which is this great fallacy, but it crops up all over the world. People like to think themselves superior and that if they can pride themselves in nothing else they can pride themselves on perceived purity.

    (...)

    So you ask what lessons, I suppose. The Potter books in general are a prolonged argument for tolerance, a prolonged plea for an end to bigotry, and I think ti's one of the reasons that some people don't like the books,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgard View Post
    Yes she is a PC cheap copy with no folk loyalty and she is anti preservation.
    Oh the hypocrisy.

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