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    American Revolution: Occupy Wall Street Movement

    This is making some news here the last few days, what do Americans think about that?

    Occupy Wall Street


    Occupy Wall Street Protests Sep 29



    Spreading through America
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    The problematic situation with America is if the populace gets a whiff that something's wrong, they rise up with that "revolutionary spirit!" only to go back home after a few days. The "occupy" movement is a bunch of nouveau hippies and metropolitan hipsters, generally of the Liberal persuasion, who strive to be the Kent state victims of modern day, a self-serving martyrdom. Only thing is that nothing has, or will change.
    An inherently rotten system can't be saved, either amputate or die with it.

    Don't get me wrong, the whole Police brutality aspect is disturbing, but the rest of it, surprising? No. I find it hard to be surprised of any current event coming out of ameriKwa

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    (skip to 2:12)

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    It is mainly a typical lefty group of academics, unemployed artists, activist celebrities. The kind of people who are anti-White & support the marxist-cultural agenda. Most Americans haven't noticed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    It is mainly a typical lefty group of academics, unemployed artists, activist celebrities. The kind of people who are anti-White & support the marxist-cultural agenda. Most Americans haven't noticed.
    The mainstream Right in the US is no better in this regard.

    The potential for the non mainstream more radical Right & the equivalent Left supporters to find common ground though could be steered gradually into some form of American national-socialism, or at least create that potential. The Tea Party movement & the Occupy Wall Street lefties are maybe not so far apart, and could break the monopoly of the game of the "Democrats vs. Republicans", two sides of the same destructive idiotic coin, if they both refuse to get coopted by the alleged left or right establishment.

    I won't hold my breath for this, and still think the surest bet for those of us who hold our views is to marry well and have strong children, but it was interesting seeing some genuine advice & dialog from unhappy right Tea Party folks to the Occupy Wall Street folks (melding right- & left- antiestablishment populism here could be a reality):

    http://www.reddit.com/r/occupywallst..._a_former_tea/
    An open letter and warning from a former tea party movement adherent to the Occupy Wall Street movement.

    I don't expect you to believe me. I want you to read this, take it with a grain of salt, and do the research yourself. You may not believe me, but I want your movement to succeed. From a former tea partier to you, young new rebels, there's some advice to prevent what happened to our now broken movement from happening to you. I don't agree with everything your movement does, but I sympathize with your cause and agree on our common enemy. You guys are very intelligent and I trust that you will take this in the spirit it is intended.

    I wish I could believe this Occupy Wall Street was still about (r)Evolution, but so far, all I am seeing is a painful rehash of how the corporate-funded government turned the pre-Presidential election tea party movement into the joke it is now. We were anarchists and ultra-libertarians, but above all we were peaceful. So, the media tried painting us as racists. But when that didn't work they tried to goad us into violence. When that failed, they killed our movement with money and false kindness from the theocratic arm of the Republican party. That killed our popular support.

    I am sharing these observations, so you guys know what's going on and can prevent the media from succeeding in painting you as violent slacker hippies rebelling without a cause, or from having the movement be hijacked by a bunch of corporatists seeking to twist the movement's original intentions. If you think this can't happen, it happened to the Independence Party and the tea party movement. Don't let it happen to your movement as well.

    Here's how they turned our movement into a bunch of pro-corporate Republican party rebranding astroturf, and this is how I predict they are turning your movement into a bunch of pro-corporate Democratic party rebranding astroturf. I believe many of these things are already happening, so take note.

    1- The media will initially and purposely avoid covering your dissenting movement to cause confusion about what your movement is about within mainstream audiences. This is to enrage you and make you appear unreasonable, and perhaps even invisible.

    2- While the obsfuscation is happening, stooges will infiltrate and give superficial support, focus and financial backing to the targetted movement. In the tea party movement's case, it was the religious Republicans and Koch Brothers. In this case, it's the Public Sector Unions (the organizations as quasi-human entities, not the members themselves) and Ultra Rich liberals who pretend to care, but frankly do not serve liberators and freedom seekers but rather the interests of those who run the Public Sector Unions and the Democratic Party. Democrat, Republican, these parties are all part of the same corporate ruling system. Case in point: http://www.debates.org/

    3-The media will cover the movement only after this infiltration succeeds. Once the infiltration is completed the MSM will manufacture public media antipathy towards the movement by using selective focus on the movement's most repulsive elements or infiltrators on the corporate Conservative media side, while the corporate Liberal media will create a more sympathetic tragic hero image -- this is the flip side of the tea party, but same media manipulation tactics. I go into greater detail on this tactic: http://vaslittlecrow.com/blog/2011/0...-your-beliefs/

    4- Someone in the Democratic Party will feign sympathy for the movement and falsely "non-partisan" entities provide tons of funding and unwanted organization, just as was done with the tea party movement by Republicans. Once people assume that the pro-corporate government operatives are their friends, they will hijack the movement and the threat of your movement will be neutralized.

    If this new Occupy Wall Street movement is to survive, here's what needs to be done.

    1- Loudly denounce violence and disavow the violent rabblerousers of the movement. They do not help the cause.

    2- Be image conscious. Present your best face and call out those who act like fools within the movement. People are more likely to pay attention to you in your Sunday dress and bringing homemade food, than when you are drinking a bottle of Snapple and chomping on Big Macs while you are looking like a slacker rich hipster/unwashed hippie stereotype.

    3- Accept that you've already been infiltrated by the corporate-funded government, and work hard to say, and state what your movement is and is not about. "No, this isn't about unions or Liberals, conservatives or bored spoiled brats. This is about 99% of our population being exploited and manipulated for the sake of profit." "No we will not resort to violence." "Yes, all we want is for for the end of government collusion with corporate entities that are illegitimately recognized as people." And, so forth...

    4- Don't forget who you are as the illusions are thrown at you. Corporatists are masters of illusions. That's the most powerful weapon they have. That's how they sell products you don't need and convince you to justify accepting atrocities for the sake of products Don't fall for it. Otherwise, your cause will be lost. Be wary of large donations from special interest groups or non-profit corporations that were not involved this movement from the inception. Special interests groups are not your allies. Non-profit corporations are still corporations, and unfortunately, too many of them care more about donations than doing the right thing. Killing a movement with kindness is easy.

    5- Remain independent and focused. If you can, pick a face to represent your movement. Rosa Parks wasn't just a random lady in a bus. http://l3d.cs.colorado.edu/systems/a...a/bus-boycott/ -- She was chosen. You too can use the power of illusion against those who oppose you.

    I wish your movement better luck than we had with the tea party movement before it got hijacked by the theocrats and corporatists. We used to be non-partisan too. We were the older version of you. But, I believe that as the media apparatchik and infiltrators start to twist your cause, you will understand the frustration us early adopter tea partiers felt and that we were not your enemy after all. A fascist oligarchy on the verge of winning is our common enemy. This should be your focus. Don't be dazzled by the illusion as we were. For the sake of our future, know who you are.
    Thank you for reading. I would love to read your ideas on the subject. Correct me where I am wrong. Explain what is going right. This is ultimately your fight.

    EDIT: To understand how movements get hijacked, check out this fantastic video that JamesCarlin shared:
    If my essay seems too conspiratorial or tl;dr for your tastes, try Hibernator's excellent and much less paranoid sounding summary below:
    "Someone starts a movement. It starts small, and there's a lot going on in the world, so the mainstream media gives it minimal coverage. Today's mainstream media is also understaffed, so they don't investigate and they wait for someone else to slap a label on it.

    Eventually a sound byte X pops up above the noise and the mainstream media uses this to engage viewers and define the movement. This defining characteristic X spreads like a meme.

    People in power now notice what's going on, and think to themselves "Hmm, this new movement is defined by X, and that's almost in line with my goals, so maybe I can use them to further my ends."

    But people in power are all labelled as Democrats or Republicans, so now the media applies the polarizing filter of American politics to associate movement X with one of the parties.

    The original movement has now been labelled X, and associated with a political party, and none of this happened because of any 'government conspiracy.' It just happened because that's what you get as output when you plug something new into the American political system."

    EDIT: Thanks to Whiskey With My Coffee, The Free Patriot Press and all the other redditors who have been sharing my message around the Web. I am so grateful to you.

    EDIT: I am disabled and I am very adverse to crowds where the environment isn't tightly controlled. While I appreciate speaking and event invitations, I must respectfully decline them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesritter View Post
    I won't hold my breath for this, but it was interesting seeing some genuine advice & dialog from unhappy right Tea Party folks to the Occupy Wall Street folks:

    http://www.reddit.com/r/occupywallst..._a_former_tea/
    I would not hold too much what that person says about the TEA party. I have been active with the TEA party from the start of it. Yes, the mainstream has tried to take it over several times, but has failed. People forget that the TEA party is not a political party it is a movement, it really does not endorse any canidate includeing Ron Paul. The main purpose of the TEA party is to stop the US government from spending so much money and to be held accountable for their big spending. The TEA in the TEA party stands for Taxed Enough Already. It's sole purpose is to lower taxes and government spending.
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    Here is a summation from two different authors. I think it would be a wise move to have a money system that is not created from debt.
    Tired Of Being Raped By The Rothschilds Yet?
    By Dick Eastman
    9-28-11
    Rothschild is a conspiracy against 6 billion people on this planet. The dynasty and allied merchant banking families cause endless misery in every nation around the world. They create evil because they always and only profit from evil. They fashioned the system whereby all of our money for buying and hiring and paying debt is bank loans in which Rothschild collects the interest on money it costs him nothing to supply. Therefore Rothschild has ended up owning the nation and all of us still deep in debt with no chance of climbing out by the current financial system rules.
    http://www.rense.com/tiredroths.html

    This quote is only slightly related, but I cannot resist. It sums up some of the frustration that causes people to protest.
    Voting has no effect. President "Change" is worse than Bush/Cheney. As Jonathan Turley suggests, Obama is "the most disastrous president in our history." Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate who stands up for the Constitution, but the majority of Americans are too unconcerned with the Constitution to appreciate him.

    To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. The only future for Americans is a nightmare. -Roberts
    http://www.rense.com/general94/ofut.htm

    more frustration that could lead to protest
    Olbermann "Taking Back..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhardt View Post
    Here is a summation from two different authors. I think it would be a wise move to have a money system that is not created from debt.
    Exactly!

    As has been mentioned by others: If every country in the world is in debt - who are they in debt to?

    The figures are astounding... as an example in the UK in one calendar year, in the late '90's if memory serves, the UK created 25 billion pounds by way of their mints while private banking interests created 680 billion pounds in the same year.

    THAT is the level to which this system is running riot.

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    LooooooL is what I think about it.


    Spoiled, inner-city NYC WASP/Jewish/foreign-national, 15-26 year old's running around with anti-bank slogans whilst their benefactors (parents) look down on them from the JPMorgan Chase bank building windows directly above them.

    I'm sure the children of the bankers are really ushering in a legitimate revolution on command from the Zionist trumpet-man Jon Stewart who they watched on comedy central.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    LooooooL is what I think about it.


    Spoiled, inner-city NYC WASP/Jewish/foreign-national, 15-26 year old's running around with anti-bank slogans whilst their benefactors (parents) look down on them from the JPMorgan Chase bank building windows directly above them.

    I'm sure the children of the bankers are really ushering in a legitimate revolution on command from the Zionist trumpet-man Jon Stewart who they watched on comedy central.
    That is pretty much what I think of them. Have you seen their list of "demands" that is even more of a unrealistic riot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    That is pretty much what I think of them. Have you seen their list of "demands" that is even more of a unrealistic riot.
    Oh Yes it's hilarious and suggests just how visceral the fall will be in the future in respect to the superficial socialite consumers absolute tear with economic and libertine liberalism when faced with the future illiberal, non-European hordes which will consume the West once their parents boomer generations are gone.


    Naive/insane/contradictory humanist demands based on their parents 80k+ incomes in NYC.

    Truly the most hilarious supposed revolutionaries one can imagine...$14 Starbucks espresso-in-hand~!

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