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    Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    What's wrong with the nice understandable theory that connects the name with the Ukrainian verb poserbitisya [to adopt, absorb into a clan/community]? Makes perfect sense to me.
    Oswiu,


    You said:

    ``What's wrong with the nice understandable theory that connects the name with the Ukrainian verb poserbitisya [to adopt, absorb into a clan/community]? Makes perfect sense to me.``


    Hire is what I said:

    ``It was prefix SRB (in some form) > SRBATIA (looks similar with Serbian/Slavic word `bratia` and means brotherhood and on that principle, as linguistic science propose), members of that ethos called themselves `brothers`- BRACA (read C as `c` in Italian Ciao). `SR` was addition (further development) of form BRAT (but on Serbian also SABRAT!) and we got SRBAT > SRBATIA > SABRATIA, etc.

    Form `SR` probably represent (by meaning on Serbian/Slavic languages) just short designation (indication) for `NUMEROUS BROTHERS`, numerous people/tribes, many brothers, brothers united in something (in defense, military action, to bring some decision, society, etc.). Even today we have words like SABOR, ZBOR with meaning of SKUPSTINA (parliament).``



    After all, that what you said doesn’t exclude my approach. Just, your approach can be in fact very genesis of evolution of Serbian name (as universal Slavic name).

    It is possible that word for BRAT (brother on Serbian), SABRACA (just different form of brother with addition of prefix `SA`), evolutes from form POSERBITSYA (on Serbian- `prisvojiti`.

    So, it can be possible that designation SABRACA coming from fact that Slavic ancestors [(in very beginning; before they developed agriculture and before they find way to spread with reserves of food!!! Evolution of this word is one more big proof for long continual existence)] were people which collected something (food for example; foragers) or, even as you mentioned (in further social evolution)- `to adopt, absorb [[people (many!?)]] into a clan/community`.

    On the end, we again coming to designation for `numerous people/brothers`, no matter what makes them brothers and how come to that- that they are SABRACA (brothers).

    Polish `schlachta` and fact that linguistic science established connection between some form of Serbian name and Sarmatian name telling us that SARMATIAN name can be remain of universal Slavic name and that we in fact have proof that possible tribal Serbian (Sarmatian) name (in time when that was universal Slavic name!) evolved into some form of designation for type of some ancient government/society (possible tribal alliance).

    After, destruction (end) of that old Slavic society/alliance, forms of Sarmatian/Serbian name stays preserved in some regions and somewhere was replaced by local tribal names.


    Possible scenario (on example of Poland)…

    For example, on territories of today’s Poland existed Slavs which way of life closely was connected with agriculture, with land (peasants). On Serbian we would say POLJANI, or exactly POLJACI (people who uses/depend on land).

    So, it was possible that POLJANI/POLJACI were SARMATIANS/SERBS (some form of Serbian name) who lived from agriculture. Further, POLJANI were part of great Slavic (Serbian) tribal alliance and they preserved memory on that time thru `Sarmatian schlachta` or even thru Serbian/Croatian name on their territory (original form or Latinized version of that name- if so!?).

    I would say that it must be that, in old days Poland was very important for entire Slavdom if Poles preserved memory on Serbian name on Polish territory but, what is most (!) important Poles preserved memory on social dimension of that name `Sarmatian schlachta`. I would underline that from all Slavs only Poles remembered that tribal (Sarmatian/Serbian) name evolved into social organization alliance/form of government`.

    It must be that my polish brothers gave many nobility/warlords to ancient `Slavic brotherhood`. Polish tradition in martial arts makes me even surer in this. Yes, on territory of Poland existed CORE of Slavdom in one period of time. For some reason, that core was transferred on territory of Poland (deeper in Slavic inland!) from the territories of key trade routes in today’s Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Croatia, North Italy (RASENA- Etrurians), Baltik. Possible reason? [It could be catastrophic-destructive Semitic attack on Slavic centers on Mediterranean coast. Very possible Egyptians or latter- Greek hoplites and Roman legions].


    You see, Lusatian and Balkan Serbs (maybe even Croats and Czech Boii- if so!? ) can be proud because we preserved old universal Slavic name in use (some form of Serbian name) but, Poles did even more.

    They preserved memory on `pick of meaning` of that name and true sense of last period of existence of that name.

    Latter, that name was replaced by name SLAVJANI (in many different forms) with meaning `people who can communicate between each other`. So, BRACA/SABRACA which can communicate between each others.

    On Serbian/Slavic…

    BRACA/SABRACA koja mogu (which can) SLOVITI medju sobom (between each others).

    Replacement of old SERBIAN name probably occurred in condition when ancient Slavic society/alliance was destroyed and when numerous Slavic/Serbian/Sarmatian (tribes) often starts to face with people which used different language. It happened possible when our ancestors were turned into slaves/often object of slavery (not only because of that, of course). Maybe, from that time Latin word for slaves coming from Slavic name (`SCLAVUS`) and before that word `SERVANT` comes from Serbian name (everything is perfectly logic, for people who wants to see facts).


    So, in some conditions Sarmatians/Serbians/Slavs become aware that `they still can communicate between each others` and that their connection continues but, now primarily thru language and not primarily on blood brotherhood (not united in formal society/alliance based on blood/origin).

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    Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    The sword stuff doesn't convince me, but the Szlachta thing is reasonable enough.
    I know what I speak.


    In middle Ages, Polish nobility was very closely connected with Serbian noblemen’s, no matter on differences- Catholicism/Orthodoxy. Our nobility was connected with marriages and intensively exchanged their martial (military) traditions.

    Poles were first Slavs who came in aid on call of Serbian nobility for brotherly help against advancing Ottoman Turks.


    I will use this opportunity to say one GREAT thanks to sons of Poland who were above things which divided Slavs (all Christians) and who reacted on the base of ancient genetic code and principles of Slavic solidarity and brotherhood.

    Without Poles, Russians wouldn`t get enough time to prepare their respond on Ottoman threat. In that time, Russia was still weak because of clash with Mongol hordes. Without Poles, Russian aid would come too late for Serbs and Bulgarians.


    Just to mention- the famous Polish King, Jan Sobieski (the architect behind the great Turkish defeat at the gates of Vienna) dedicated his life to struggle against Turks (even when Turks already occupy Balkan Slavs) and was one of the `Draconists` and even Grand master of `Sacred Order of the Dragon of Saint George.` He and his knights, valiantly beats Turks.


    So, I say- thank you Poles for every single drop of your blood that you gave against Turkish beasts. Thank you from the bottom of my being. Thank you in the name of all Serbs. Thank you for all Balkan Slavs. Thank you for Mother Slavia and for all children of White Garden, for Europe. Thank you. Thank you very much. We- Serbs won’t forget!


    Oswiu, you are familiar with Slavic languages. You would understand this...


    Polish Martial Arts





    Library SIGNUM POLONICUM

    Biblioteka SIGNUM POLONICUM

    http://www.signum-polonicum.com.pl/strona1.html

    TRAKTAT SZERMIERCZY
    O SZTUCE WALKI
    POLSKĄ SZABLĄ HUSARSKĄ
















    Untill XV century

    do XV wieku

    http://www.signum-polonicum.com.pl/bibliotekadoXVw.html


    Thietmar /975-1018/, Kronika

    Bruno z Kwerfurtu / - 1009/, List do króla Henryka II

    Anonim tzw. Gall, Kronika Polska

    Wincenty Kadłubek /ok. 1150 - 1223/, Chronica Polonorum

    Jan Długosz /1415-1480/, Roczniki, czyli Kroniki sławnego Królestwa Polskiego

    Jan Ostrorog, Monumentum pro comitiis generalibus Regini sub Rege Casimiro pro Reipublicae ordinatione congestum Księgi brzeskie


    JAGIELLONIAN UNIVERSITY

    http://www.biocrawler.com/encyclopedia/UJ

    Tadeusz Sulimirski (1898-1983), historian and archaeologist, experts on the ancient Sarmatians

    Sarmatism

    http://www.biocrawler.com/encyclopedia/Sarmatism

    Sarmatism was the dominant culture and ideology of szlachta (nobility social class) in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth from 16th century to 19th century. Together with Golden Liberty it formed the unique aspects of the Commonwealth culture.

    The name came from alleged ancestors of the szlachta (Sarmatians). This belief became an important part of szlachta's culture and penetrated into all aspects of life and served to differentiate Polish szlachta from Western nobility (pludracy) and its culture. Sarmatian concept enshrined traditions, provincial village life, peace and pacifism, popularised eastern (almost oriental) clothing and looks (żupan, kontusz, sukmana, pas kontuszowy, delia, szabla), served to integrate the multiethnic nobility by creating an almost nationalist sense of unity and pride of the szlachta's political Golden Freedoms.

    In its early, ideal form sarmatism looked like a good cultural movement: it supported religious belief, honesty, national pride, courage, equality and freedom. However as any doctrine that put some social class above others it became perverted in time. Late sarmatism transformed belief into intolerance and devotion, honesty into political naivity, pride into arrogance, courage into stubborness, queality and freedom of szlachta into nihilism.

    Sarmatian art and writings

    Sarmatian architecture was based on gothic architecture. Much of the szlachta residences were wooden.

    In 19th century the sarmatian culture of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was portrayed and popularised by Polish writer, Henryk Sienkiewicz in his trilogy (Ogniem i Mieczem, Potop, Pan Wolodyjowski). In the 20th century, Sienkiewicz's trilogy has been filmed, and sarmatian culture became the subject of many modern books (by Jacek Komuda and others), songs (like that of Jacek Kaczmarski) and even role-playing games like Dzikie Pola.


    Here are some Polish uniforms in Sarmatian (szlachta) tradition:

    Jan Zamojski XVI



    Uniform from XVIII



    Uniform from XIX

    Last edited by Crow; Monday, January 8th, 2007 at 07:48 AM. Reason: spelling

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    Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    We (Poles) are specific nation, with our own typical mentality and i can say nobody can uderstand us. Our tradition, culture, mentality are not this same as in other slavic nations. We are pessimists and also optimists, realists, friendly, brave, naive etc. peoples.

    Sarmatism

    http://www.biocrawler.com/encyclopedia/Sarmatism

    Sarmatism was the dominant culture and ideology of szlachta (nobility social class) in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth from 16th century to 19th century. Together with Golden Liberty it formed the unique aspects of the Commonwealth culture.

    The name came from alleged ancestors of the szlachta (Sarmatians). This belief became an important part of szlachta's culture and penetrated into all aspects of life and served to differentiate Polish szlachta from Western nobility (pludracy) and its culture. Sarmatian concept enshrined traditions, provincial village life, peace and pacifism, popularised eastern (almost oriental) clothing and looks (żupan, kontusz, sukmana, pas kontuszowy, delia, szabla), served to integrate the multiethnic nobility by creating an almost nationalist sense of unity and pride of the....
    look on my signature ;-)

    Just to mention- the famous Polish King, Jan Sobieski (the architect behind the great Turkish defeat at the gates of Vienna) dedicated his life to struggle against Turks (even when Turks already occupy Balkan Slavs) and was one of the `Draconists` and even Grand master of `Sacred Order of the Dragon of Saint George.` He and his knights, valiantly beats Turks.
    Im far "relive" of Sobiesky, and of Janin's Clan. Our (Sobieski and also my) arms of coast on polish eagle:


    Btw. Hussary in Polish army is from "ancient" middle ages serbian worriors(soliders of fortune).

    Regards!

    Ps. what is slavdom?

    Articles about slavs in PL language:
    many of them: http://taraka.pl/spis.php?filter=temat&value=O
    origin of slavs (concepts, genetics and others): http://www.mikilo.prh.pl/slavic/articles.php?id=10
    also many articles: http://www.slavinja.prv.pl/

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    Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Here is a video of the Croats from Iran.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnkKQfqj3TE

    I have never met a Croat in my life.Very interesting none the less.

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    Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Quote Originally Posted by Immortal Warrior View Post
    Here is a video of the Croats from Iran.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnkKQfqj3TE

    I have never met a Croat in my life.Very interesting none the less.
    ...zumba zumba zumba...

    nope, this video is not so good

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    Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    those swords are typical Mongol-Turkic products
    where do Polish or Serbian guys found that?

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    Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sami View Post
    those swords are typical Mongol-Turkic products
    where do Polish or Serbian guys found that?
    And guns are from China.
    We shouldn't be above recognising that the Turkics were very good at making weapons, and we shouldn't be surprised that the style of an effective piece of equipment was borrowed.

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