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    Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Quote Originally Posted by Shapur
    LOL! IE make not simmilarities like that. Which simmiliarties with Farsi and French? The Iranian languages changed by a special way k->s, th->h, e/u/a->a.
    So when we find a word which is from old Iranian then it is IRANIAN and not IE.
    You can find an IE word which is near to it but not simmilar.
    And when we find know old Iranian words in Croatian then this had nothing to do with IE but with old Iranian.
    Uh huh. And when you find that same 'old Iranian word' in ALL other Slavic languages, what does that say to you?

    You've been trolling for quite some time here. How come it still hasn't become boring to you?
    If someone was joking around and made up a DB1c haplogroup existing among Croats, you'd say the DB1c exists among Persians too. :eyes

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    Post Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    The DB1c haplogroup exists among Croats and also Persians as well.Sorry, no source available at the moment.

    EDIT- Damn you, AWAR!



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    Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    Uh huh. And when you find that same 'old Iranian word' in ALL other Slavic languages, what does that say to you?

    You've been trolling for quite some time here. How come it still hasn't become boring to you?
    If someone was joking around and made up a DB1c haplogroup existing among Croats, you'd say the DB1c exists among Persians too. :eyes
    First I am not Persian! Second read some expert books of this stuff and then you can discuss with me on the same level!
    Last edited by Shapur; Friday, July 9th, 2004 at 06:57 PM.

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    Post Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Quote Originally Posted by Krunoslav
    @Polak: Ib is not slavic haplotype but autochtonous balkan haplotype which spread in eastern europe. It is closely related to other I haplotypes namely Ia and Ic.

    @Bocian: interesting stuff. It confirms what I have been saying all the time....

    There's no evidence that 1Ib and 1Ic are related haplotypes.

    If you have any such proof, then show me.

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    Post Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    Whatever 'Iranian' word you've found in Croatian, it also exists in Serbian and other Slavic languages.
    Croatian accents - Čakavian and Kajkavian are distant to Serbian, containing many words non-existing in Serbian.
    If you observe royal glagolic scriptures like Baska tablet you can notice Old Croatian was Slavic, but different in respect to Serbian, much like Bulgarian or Slovenian are now. Modern linguistic similarity of Croatian and Serbian is mostly the result of 19. century linguist reformations of Ljudevit Gaj in Croatia and V.S. Karađić in Serbia. This simmilarrity is also the product of Yugoslav hybridization and "Serbo-Croatian"

    Take a look at the ORIGINAL Croatian tongue, and try to reed it:

    (Tablet from Baška, king Zvonimirs royal inscription on glagolic letter):

    Old-Croatian

    AZ V' IME OTCA I S(I)NA I SVETAGO DUHA AZ'
    OPAT' DR'ZhIHA PISAH SE O LEDNINE JuZhE
    DA Z'V'NIM(I)R KRAL' HR'VAT'SKI V'
    DNI SVOE V' SVETUJu LUCIJu I SVEDO -
    MI ZhUPAN' DESIMIRA KR'BAVE MARTIN' V L(I) -
    CE PRB'NEBZhA S' POSL' VIN(0)DOLE JaK(O)V' V O-
    TOCE DA IZhE TO POREChE KL'NI I BO(G) I *BI* AP(OSTO)LA I *G* E -
    VANJELISTI I S(VE)TAJa LUCIJa AM(E)N' DA IZhE SDE ZhIVE -
    T' MOLI ZA NE BOGA AZ OPAT' DBROVIT' Z' -
    DAH' CREK'V' SIJu I SVOEJu BRATIJu S DEV -
    ETIJu V' DNI K'NEZA KOS'M'TA OBLAD -
    AJuChAGO V'SU K'RAINU I BJeShE V' T' DNI M -
    IKULA V' OTOCh'CI S' SVETUJu LUCIJu V' EDINO


    Modern Croatian (Serb influenced)

    Ja, u ime Oca i Sina i Duha Svetoga. Ja
    opat Držiha pisah ovo o ledini koju
    dade Zvonimir, kralj hrvatski, u
    svoj dane, svetoj Luciji. I svjedo-če mi Desimir, župan u Krbavi, Mratin u Li-
    ci, Pribineg zastupnik u Vinodolu i Jakov na o-
    toku. Tko to poreče, neka je proklet od Boga i 12 apostola i 4 e-
    vanđelista i svete Lucije. Amen. Da tko ovdje živi,
    moli za njih Boga. Ja opat Dobrovit sa-gradih ovu crkvu sa svojih deve-tero braće u dane knez Kosmata koji je vla-dao cijelom Krajinom. I bijaše u te dane samostan sv. Mi-kule u Otočcu sa crkvom sv. Lucije u jedinstvu.



    English translation:

    I, in the name of Father and Son and the Holy Spirit, I
    abbot Drzhiha, wrote this about the plot of land which
    was given by Zvonimir, the Croatian King, in
    his days to St. Lucy (Sv. Lucija) and witnesses (are):
    Desimir, Prefect of Krbava, Martin (Mratin) in
    Lika, Pribinezha, clerk in Vinodol, Jacob (Jakov) on the
    island. If anyone denies it, let him be cursed by 12 Apostles and 4
    Evangelists and St. Lucy (Sv. Lucija). Let anyone who lives here
    prays God for them. I abbot Dobrovit
    built this church with my nine brethren
    at the time of Prince Kosmat who ruled
    the whole Country. In those days
    Mikula was in Otochac with St. Lucy (Sv. Lucija) together.




    Does Serbs have anything resembling? No. You canot even compare Croatian and Serbian linguistic evolution because they are totally separate. The only simmilarity betwen Croatian and Serbian is they are both Slavic.

    http://www.hr/darko/etf/baska.html

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    Post Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Thx Zvaci! Those scripts look like old Sarmatian inscriptions? Az is an Iranian word for I and it used by Kurds as Ez by Pashtuns as Az and by Avestan as Azam by Persians as Adam. Ja is the Slavic version I guess?

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    Post Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Ethnologues usually group croatian with other South Western Slavic Languages such as Slovenian and Romano-Serb, it is usually classified as Serbo-Croatian.

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    Exclamation Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    OK, Zvaci, to illustrate how little sense you make, I'll write a translation
    into Serbian.

    [I] AZ V' IME OTCA I S(I)NA I SVETAGO DUHA
    As/Ja U' IME OCA I SINA I SVETOGA DUHA
    ( Az = as sometimes used in rural southeastern Serbia instead of 'Ja' ).

    AZ' OPAT' DR'ZhIHA PISAH SE O LEDNINE JuZhE
    As/Ja OPAT DRZIHA PISAH OVO O LEDINI koJU

    DA Z'V'NIM(I)R KRAL' HR'VAT'SKI V'
    DAde ZVONIMIR, KRALJ HRVATSKI U

    DNI SVOE V' SVETUJu LUCIJu
    DANE SVOJE, SVETOJ LUCIJI,

    I SVEDO - MI ZhUPAN' DESIMIRA KR'BAVE MARTIN' V L(I) - CE
    I SVEDOCE MI ZhUPAN DESIMIRA KRBAVE MARTIN U LICI

    Etcetera etcetera. It's even more resembling Serbian if you take
    into account the many dialects of Serbian language.


    Does Serbs have anything resembling? No.
    As I illustrated, YES, we do. You can however lie a lot, but that doesn't change the truth, you just sweep it under the rug.

    You canot even compare Croatian and Serbian linguistic evolution because they are totally separate. The only simmilarity betwen Croatian and Serbian is they are both Slavic.
    You are again wrong. Anyone can see the previous comparations and it doesn't take knowledge of Serbian or Croatian, or any of the dialects to notice that we're speaking about IDENTICAL languages who have many varying dialects, just like any other language.

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    Post Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Here runes from my book Iranian World History - Part 1 The Expansion of the Iranian tribes

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    Post Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Yes sometimes instead Ja Az? Sure it is Iranian!

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