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    Post Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Quote Originally Posted by CroatPower
    That may be true, I could not say I know for sure since I am not an scientist myself but I believe they have a point. I have some Iranian friends and when I look at them I can sort of see a recemblense. They look very European like and thinking about how they would have mixed with germans and so forth I do believe it could be true. It sounds nice to "Croats, the true aryans". ;-)

    Anyways whatever can be said I am sure about one thing, true Croats are NOT slavs. I see no recemblens when looking at other slavic people and Croatians. I for one dont look slavic at all and nor does my friends. We look more Swedish like. Not one single person have ever even guessed I am from any other part of the world then northern Europe. The same thing cant be said about serbs. They are much darker and "rubust". There is a big difference even my friend who is Italian can see it.
    You can't see the visual similarities between Slavs and Croats? You're either blind or not Croatian then!!! I bet if I saw your picture the first thing I would say is "some kind of Yugoslav". Second, Serbs have a wide variety of looks and for every "dark" Serb you find you can find a Croat somewhere that looks the same. You know it's true.

    Croats and Slovenes, as well as some Western Slavs, can sometimes be harder to spot due to mixing with Germanic groups(which in my opinion are rather plain), but you can usually always tell.

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    Post Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Quote Originally Posted by norda
    I have read about this „Master Race” of Europe. You may be right. I will give you some rep.points. It could be really connected with presence of Hg 9 in Europe. http://www.dnaconsulting.ws/conversion.html

    Thanks to Shapur the next important discovery was made. Old Slavic dynasties were “true Iranians” [Semitic?] but they were suffering from phenylketonuria just like some blue eyed N. Indians or Kurds
    HG9 has his higest rates in Zagros, northern Iran, Kurdistan so it is not Semitic.
    Also we know about the fact that the many Arabs have Aryan ancestors like Amus, Hykos etc.!

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    Post Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Croats Iranians???

    Crap.

    Croats are Slavs through and through.

    Even the original Balkanoids they mingled with were a minority, and only make up a small amount of the Croat gene pool.

    Not only is the R1a1 in Coats of Slavic origin, but so is the Ib.

    The proof is in the pudding...

    An interesting read for several reasons. Please note the low level of the Scandinavian marker in England. And the extremely low level of the Dinaric marker in Italy.

    In fact, the Dinaric marker may even be some sort of a Slavic marker. It's not only high in Croats, but in Russians, Belos and Ukes. Hmmmm...

    Much less common in Poland, where both markers have the same incidence.


    Dinaric and Nordic Modal Haplotypes

    The Dinaric Modal Haplotype (DMH: 16 –24–11– 11 –13, defined by DYS19 –390–391–392–393, respectively) has a focus of distribution in the Balkan peninsula and the Nordic Modal Haplotype (NMH: 14 – 23 – 10 – 11 – 13) has a focus of distribution in Scandinavia. It should be noted that two Y chromosomes having the same haplotype are not necessarily related, since the same haplotype may be observed on different backgrounds. The ancient ancestral origins of Y chromosomes are determined by unique event polymorphisms (UEPs) for which there are currently no open-access databases. By contrast, there are a few short-tandem-repeat (STR) databases, as STRs are heavily used in the forensic community. Both the DMH and the NMH are associated with Haplogroup I.

    A search for the NMH in YHRD reveals as expected, a high frequency in Sweden (13%), Southern Norway (16%), Värmland, Sweden (12%), Northern Norway (16%), Oslo (9%), Östergötland/Jönköping, Sweden (10%), Uppsala (11%), Skaraborg, Sweden (13%), Central Norway (15%), Blekinge, Sweden (14%).

    A search for the DHMH reveals it in Byelorussia (10%), Kiev (13%), Ljubljana, Slovenia (10%), FYROM (12.1%), Moscow (11%), Zagreb Croatia (16%).

    A few other observations:

    NMH/DMH: European Americans from NYC (2/3%), Maryland (2/2%), Missouri (2/0%), Pennsylvania (3/0%)

    NMH/DMH: Athens (3/5%), Macedonian Greeks (0/7%), Peloponnesians (0/6%), Thessaliots (7/7%), Epirots (7/0%)

    NMH/DMH in Italy: Latium (4/0%), Liguria (2/0%), Lombardy (2/1%), Marche (2/2%), Puglia (3/0%), Sicily (1/0%), Tuscany (0/0%), Veneto (2/0%), Emilia Romagna (0/1%)

    NMH/DMH: Warsaw (4/4%), Moscow (2/11%), Vilnius (1/1%), Albania (1/5%), London, UK (2/1%)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CroatPower
    I for one dont look slavic at all and nor does my friends. We look more Swedish like. Not one single person have ever even guessed I am from any other part of the world then northern Europe.
    Yes, Swedes are Mediterraneans just like you. :anieyes
    "slavic" languages are absolutely arteficial (Read "slawenlegende"). The "glagolica", invented by a bunch of monks, is nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs.

    The craddle of European Civilization comes from the North. All blond people originate from the north. So if you see a blond-blue eyed Slovene, Russian, Czech, Polak ect., you can be 100% sure that his ancient ancestors originated from "Germanics" (Germanic = Nordic).
    "slovenja" was the settelment of the Langobards = Germanics/Teutons. "Poland" of the Goths and East-Vandals ect. ect. What do "slavs" tell us about their origin?
    Some silly story that they originate from some swamps in the east and popped out of no where into history.

    So you see my dear "Gorostan" [=Triglav], you are in reality a "Germanic" indoctrinated with panslav propaganda and historic fantasy stories. ~Dr. Brandt, former TNP and Skadi member

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    Post Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Quote Originally Posted by Shapur
    HG9 has his higest rates in Zagros, northern Iran, Kurdistan so it is not Semitic.
    Also we know about the fact that the many Arabs have Aryan ancestors like Amus, Hykos etc.!
    I thought that among Bedouins. :arab They surely look just like Aryans were described in the Vedas- blond hair, light eyes and white skin
    Last edited by norda; Thursday, July 8th, 2004 at 12:25 PM.

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    Post Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Pardon me for butting in here, but why is it so imporant that Croats not be included with Slavs? But rather with Iranians?!

    If I were given a choice between descending from Slavs or Iranians, well.. make room for me, Triglav. And if I were a product of Iran, I certainly wouldn't brag about it. (No offense, Shapur)

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    Post Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Quote Originally Posted by norda
    I thought that among Bedouins. :arab They surely look just like Aryans were described in the Vedas- blond hair, light eyes and white skin
    Since when is in the Vedas blond hair? Please the sentence!
    Bedouins? LOL!

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    Post Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Oh! And ZAGROS, it's so totally the same as ZAGREB!

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    Post Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    Quote Originally Posted by Shapur
    Since when is in the Vedas blond hair? Please the sentence!
    Bedouins? LOL!
    Yes Shapur.. Bedouins
    http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachme...achmentid=2873
    And Hg 9 marker's popular name is Jewish/Semitic..
    http://www.dnaconsulting.ws/conversion.html
    Anthropologically connected with Semitic element and in mix with Caucasoids - Armenoidal race


    THE RIG VEDA DESCRIBES RACIAL CONFLICT
    Quotes from the Rig Veda, the original Holy Book of the Aryan conquerors of India (which has now been corrupted but is still to this day in use as the main Hindu religious text) contains a great many references to the race of the conquerors and the conquered.
    According to the Rig Veda, the leader of the Aryan invasion was one Indra, and his role in “slaying the Dasyus” (the Negroids in India) is prominent in the Rig Veda:
    "Thou, Indra, art the destroyer of all the cities, the slayer of the Dasyus, the prosperer of man, the lord of the sky." - RgV. VIII 87.6
    The Rig Veda goes on to use the word “black” in a number of instances to describe the Dasyu:
    "Indra, the slayer of Vrittra, the destroyer of cities, has scattered the Dasyu (hosts) sprang from a black womb." RgV. II 20.6
    THE “ARYAN COLOR” – THE RIG VEDA
    The Rig Veda praises the god who "destroyed the Dasyans and protected the Aryan colour." - Rg.V. III 34.9
    It then goes on to thank the god who "bestowed on his white friends the fields, bestowed the sun, bestowed the waters." - Rg.V. I 100.18
    Black skin is repeatedly referred to with abhorrence in the Rig Veda: starting with a description of the "black skin" (`Krishnam Vacham') in RgV. IX 41.1, Sam. V I.491 and II.242.
    For example in RgV. IX 73 it is said that “stormy gods who rush on like furious bulls and scatter the black skin", and it claims that “the black skin, the hated of Indra" will be swept out of heaven - RgV. IX 73.5
    Rg.V. I 130.8 tells of how the “black skin” was conquered:
    "Indra protected in battle the Aryan worshipper, he subdued the lawless for Manu, he conquered the black skin."
    The Rig Veda thanks god for "scattering the slave bands of black descent", and for stamping out "the vile Dasyan colour." - Rg.V. II.20.7, II 12.4
    It also contains this choice remark which sums up the Aryan’s opinion of their non-white subjects: "Black skin is impious" (‘Dasam varnam adharam’) -Sans., Rg.V. II.12.4
    Other extracts from the Rig Veda further illustrate the sharp racial divisions in this time:
    Indra - 1.130.8 - "Indra in battles help his Aryan worshipper, he who hath hundred helps at hand in every fray, in frays that win the light of heaven. Plaguing the lawless he gave up to Manu's seed the dusky skin; Blazing, 'twere, he burns each covetous man away, he burns, the tyrannous away."
    Indra - 4.16.13 - "Thou to the son of Vidathin, Rjisvan, gavest up mighty Mrgaya and Pipru. Thou smotest down the swarthy fifty thousand, and rentest forts as age consumes a garment."
    Indra - 5.29.10 - "One car-wheel of the Sun thou rolledst forward, and one thou settest free to move for Kutsa. Thou slewest noseless Dasyus with thy weapon, and in their home o'erthrewest hostile speakers." ("Noseless Dasyus" would suggest a reference to flat nosed Negroid types)
    Soma Pavamana - 9.41.1 - "ACTIVE and bright have they come forth, impetuous in speed like bulls, driving the black skin far away."
    Soma Pavamana - 9.73.5 - "O'er Sire and Mother they have roared in unison bright with the verse of praise, burning up riteless men, Blowing away with supernatural might from earth and from the heavens the swarthy skin which Indra hates."
    RIG VEDA DESCRIBES ARYAN GODS AS BLONDS
    Indra - 10.23.4 - "With him too is this rain of his that comes like herds: Indra throws drops of moisture on his yellow beard. When the sweet juice is shed he seeks the pleasant place, and stirs the worshipper as wind disturbs the wood."
    Indra - 10.96.8 - "At the swift draught the Soma-drinker waxed in might, the Iron One with yellow beard and yellow hair. He, Lord of Tawny Coursers, Lord of fleet-foot Mares, will bear his Bay Steeds safely over all distress."
    Indra - 1.9.3 - "O Lord of all men, fair of cheek, rejoice thee in the gladdening lauds, Present at these drink-offerings."
    INDRA’S WEAPON: THOR’S LIGHTENING BOLT?
    In what could easily be another indicator of the common cultural origins between the Rig Veda and the Indo-European gods, Indra’s greatest weapon is said, in the Rig Veda, to be a lightening bolt – identical to the weapon of Thorburn, the Northern European God:
    Indra - 1.100.18 - "He, much invoked, hath slain Dasyus and Simyus, after his wont, and laid them low with arrows. The mighty Thunderer with his fair-complexioned friends won the land, the sunlight, and the waters."
    Indra - 1.101.1 - "SING, with oblation, praise to him who maketh glad, who with Rjisvan drove the dusky brood away. Fain for help, him the strong whose right hand wields the bolt, him girt by Maruts we invoke to be our Friend."
    Indra - 1.103.3 - "Armed with his bolt and trusting in his prowess he wandered shattering the forts of Dasas. Cast thy dart, knowing, Thunderer, at the Dasyu; increase the Arya's might and glory, Indra.
    4 "For him who thus hath taught these human races, Maghavan, bearing a fame-worthy title, Thunderer, drawing nigh to slay the Dasyus, hath given himself the name of Son for glory."

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/index.htm
    http://www.white-history.com/hwr5c.htm

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    Post Re: Croats ARE true Aryans (Iranian origins)

    LOL! A translation from 100 years back.

    so cin nu vRSTiryUthyA svA sacAnindraH shmashrUNiharitAbhi pruSNute:
    With him too is this rain of his that comes like herds: Indra throws drops of moisture on his yellow beard.
    Entry: pruS, pruSNoti, pruSNute
    Meaning: ({pruSyati}), pp. {pruSita3} sprinkle, wet, [[,]] moisten. -- {abhi} M. sprinkle anything on one's self. {pari} sprinkle about. {vi} drip off or down.

    In this case wet make sense and not yellow! And also when it would mean blond it would use a special word for it. No IE language I know use the color yellow for blond hair. Also Iranian doesn`t do it! Zard for yellow and Burr for blond!
    So my nordish superior you showed that you have no knowledge about this stuff. You thought you can to wind up me? LOL!
    A guy who read 10 times the Avesta and begin to learn it by heart
    can analyze every old Indo-Iranian texts.

    Btw in Indo-Iranian language has Yellow and Rain the same root!
    But Blond has something to do with hairs not like Yellow and Rain!

    So go and bring me real arguments not something like that!

    LOL...

    The correct translation by an Avestan master speaker!
    With him too is this rain of his that comes like herds: Indra throws drops of moisture on his wet beard.
    Last edited by Shapur; Friday, July 9th, 2004 at 01:22 AM.

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