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    I hope you didn't buy into that "They had Americans for their freedoms" BS promulgated by several Neocohns.
    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Ron Paul is a bit delusion when he thinks that if the US disengages from overseas affairs that everyone that's pissed off at the US now will simply stop being pissed off and leave Americans alone. That's more than a bit naive to me.
    Does he say that or even imply it? (Please quote).
    All a general retreat from overseas wars of occupation or intervention engagements would mean, is that the victims of intervention won't have that much reasons to hate Americans anymore. Of course the former victims would still carry some grudge against Americans. But why not ban people out of those regions / ethnic groups from the US or at least give them a few more hurdles?!

    The present and previous interventionist policies of the US and the carnage and mass murder that went along with it are the chief motivator for people in the world to hate Americans above the level they'd usually do. So except for budgetary reasons, there is a foreign policy and security reason to abstain from bullying turd worlders at some place that isn't really capable of being a threat to America.

    The real problem is however that vast vested interests have a stake in Americas military interventions, especially in the middle East, but also elsewhere.
    "And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their offspring;..." Plato Politeia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akasha View Post
    ...Are you pro war or against war?
    [Please do not interpret or understand the following as literal. It is meant as facetiously jocular.] I'm for it.
    Between the devil and the deep blue sea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horagalles View Post
    I hope you didn't buy into that "They had Americans for their freedoms" BS promulgated by several Neocohns.

    Does he say that or even imply it? (Please quote).
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/...y_exposed.html

    He's largely out-of-touch. He'd be a good treasury official but not Secretary of State.

    Imagine Pelagius of Asturias with a similar attitude:

    "Oh if we mind our own affairs the Moors will leave us alone; they're all largely peaceful and the radicals are the ones overrunning Spain, killing Christians, and so on. If we show them they're not aggressive they'll leave us alone, yeah."

    Or the Carthaginians:

    "Oh if we show the Romans that we're not a threat to them they'll leave us alone; its written into our Constitution that aggressive foreign policy isn't allowable except with a 2/3 supermajority of the Senate and the agreement of the two sophets and even then we can only use our military for peacekeeping activities via an international mandate from the Mediterranean Nations. The Romans have nothing to worry about from us, yeah."

    Sorry, just illustrating some of the absurd kind of thought, satircally, that the Paulites tend to operate under. Such people assume a rather naive and utopian world wherein everyone is a good guy, every nation is peaceful and law-abiding, and where every national leader obeys jus gentium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horagalles View Post
    ...The real problem is however that vast vested interests have a stake in America's military interventions, especially in the Middle East, but also elsewhere.
    There are manifold vested interests in keeping the US a militarily interventionist state.
    Between the devil and the deep blue sea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/...y_exposed.html

    He's largely out-of-touch. He'd be a good treasury official but not Secretary of State.

    Imagine Pelagius of Asturias with a similar attitude:

    "Oh if we mind our own affairs the Moors will leave us alone; they're all largely peaceful and the radicals are the ones overrunning Spain, killing Christians, and so on. If we show them they're not aggressive they'll leave us alone, yeah."

    Or the Carthaginians:

    "Oh if we show the Romans that we're not a threat to them they'll leave us alone; its written into our Constitution that aggressive foreign policy isn't allowable except with a 2/3 supermajority of the Senate and the agreement of the two sophets and even then we can only use our military for peacekeeping activities via an international mandate from the Mediterranean Nations. The Romans have nothing to worry about from us, yeah."

    Sorry, just illustrating some of the absurd kind of thought, satircally, that the Paulites tend to operate under. Such people assume a rather naive and utopian world wherein everyone is a good guy, every nation is peaceful and law-abiding, and where every national leader obeys jus gentium.
    I think you misunderstand Ron Paul, he understands that liberty is not safety and that our foreign policy of being the world police (and Israel's big brother on the playground) radicalizes more anti-american terrorists. He wants a strong national defense, the strongest in the world to be on guard, not on a war path doomed to bankrupt us. His advocating for liberty would allow us to really own our property and to be separatists if we please. He is systematically exposing and fighting the banking cabals. He wants to shut down the welfare state (imagine this event much like watching a dog shit after being given dewormer).

    You know of any american politician that can top that? Please share.
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