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Thread: Against the Neo-Pagans - The Misunderstandings of the New "Paganism" (Evola, 1942)

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    The conversation was a malicious act on the side of the catholic church.

    It was trickery or plain old brutality.

    Though nowadays it is depicted as the the convincing of the 'light' of christianity.

    Where dumb uncivilized pagans where enlightened by the scriblings of jewish camelf*ckers who found the divine truth.



    It has been a powerplay and as the power is vaning, the germanic people go back to the divine truth and leave the trickery, corruption and deception behind.

    There is actully by far more insights in the pagan worldview than in the jewish scriblings ever where. The little light christianity got is taken from paganism and then corrupted so it fits the power agenda of the christian church. (who, as 'romans' where still hellbound on conquering the germanic homelands, as the neo-romans or lets be honest: The Jews, are doing now)


    The return to the truth as displayed in nature will bring the germanic people back to their heritage and their grandiose civilizations, the many they spawned. Christian materialism will perish to give space to something greater
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    The attempts of the Christians to appropriate pagan and heathen lore, metaphysics, and so forth has always failed to convince me. The apologists really go to some great lengths to show that, for example, the philosophers of Greece prefigured JC and that Christianity is really the purified, final religion that the philosophers blindly groped about after (i.e. see how Paul turns the Unknown God of Athens into JC); they even go so far as to call JC the Logos (but not the pure Logos of the philosophers; JC is another kind of Logos entirely). They make the same assertions about their religious forefathers, the Jews, and contend that the Jews are dumb and that Christians know the meanings of the so-called prophetic writings in the Torah better than the Jews themselves do.
    'Militia est vita hominis super terram [The life of man upon earth is a warfare] (Job 7:1).'

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    Even as a Christian that believes in God and that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, I can see the failings of his arguement. When it comes down to it, you get to a point where you can't prove either belief system to any other man or woman and just have to have faith. Our belief as Christians is based on accounts we're told were written by Jesus' friends, but find little to no evidence of his miracles past what those friends have to say. Just small amounts of evidence that he even existed. The writer reached the point where he couldn't prove our faiths right and turned dick-mode and started slandering Pagan faith as if it were ignorant. Are there probably gaps Neo-Pagans have to fill from lack of sufficient amounts of written documents or oral tradition r/t their religion? Yes, but it's primarily the fault of our religious leaders who preached tolerance one minute, and genocide the other. If half the books of the bible stopped existing tomorrow, you'd continue believing. Wouldn't you? I understand you must have a strong belief in God and want others to see the light, but win them over preaching the Lord's word rather than slapping them in the face and starting hate threads like a troll. This site is dedicated to Germanic Cultural, Racial, and Spiritual preservation. Unless you want to create fault lines in our people then you're going about things the wrong way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rothhammer View Post
    I understand you must have a strong belief in God and want others to see the light, but win them over preaching the Lord's word rather than slapping them in the face and starting hate threads like a troll. This site is dedicated to Germanic Cultural, Racial, and Spiritual preservation. Unless you want to create fault lines in our people then you're going about things the wrong way.
    The fault lines already exist, either religious or ethnic or both. Always have. Too often crititzism is made of Christianity, yet Neopaganism is spared of any, it has achieved victim status. This isn't a discourse on why we should "stick together", Germanic peoples as a whole have never been a cohesive unit aside from the familiarity of their languages and customs.
    The author, Julius Evola, an Italian, is elaborating on the failings of neopaganism and that they, despite their best intentions, are working against the fabric of Western society. He's not slandering original paganism in any form, in fact praises ancient Aryan religion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko
    Also the author judges paganism by it's adherence.
    That is all neopaganism has to offer, the arbitrary beliefs of its practioners. There are no sacred texts or oral lineages to base off of.

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    If anybody is famed for pleading the persecuted victim card it's you Christians, ironically as famed persecutors themselves. So worried about a bunch of 'fluffy bunnies' criticizing the failures and falsities of your religion. If anything the resurgence of paganism in the modern era, shows that it has eschewed any form of victimhood it may have once had in the dark ages. It is true that some are not as hardline as others, and are shall we say 'a bit soft', but that is in all faiths.

    'Blessed are the meek' lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by renownedwolf View Post
    If anybody is famed for pleading the persecuted victim card it's you Christians, ironically as famed persecutors themselves. So worried about a bunch of 'fluffy bunnies' criticizing the failures and falsities of your religion. If anything the resurgence of paganism in the modern era, shows that it has eschewed any form of victimhood it may have once had in the dark ages. It is true that some are not as hardline as others, and are shall we say 'a bit soft', but that is in all faiths.

    'Blessed are the meek' lol!
    You ought to take a look at Alain de Benoist's book, On Being a Pagan. His thesis is that only the re-emergence of the ethics and values, not the religions per se, of pre-Christian Europe will cure the existential blight that exists at the core of European-derived human beings. He's specifically thinking of the values in the Illiad and the Odyssey, the Aeneid, the northern tales, and I'd daresay even the Christianized pagan/paganized Christian ethics in the chivalric legends.

    You can take what already exists (or the scraps of what once existed), the surviving lore from classical antiquity, the Germanic/Scandinavian north, and so on and find far more of existential worth therein than anything in the Bible.

    In terms of the Bible, I only really pay attention to the tales of the battling chieftains, kings, and warlords of the Old Testament [King James, of course]. What emerges is just the heroic past of the ancient Hebrews (who I don't connect with modern Jews btw; ancient Hebrews were probably of Canaanitish stock or somesuch- the fact that the Hebrews practiced Canaanite religion has always interested me ). Being deceived that Jesus is some sort of predestined penultimate Jewish savior is worth a *yawn* if you know that, in fact, Palestine was filled with so-called messiahs from hill and dale (to say nothing of the entirety of the ancient world itself, which was crawling with tricksters, con-men, so-called wizards, and whatnot who called themselves "son of God").

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar View Post
    That is all neopaganism has to offer, the arbitrary beliefs of its practioners. There are no sacred texts or oral lineages to base off of.
    My opinion is that by comparing the survivals of pre-Christian religion in European culture, archaeology and the old symbolism, as well as surviving writings on the various Indo-European traditions across Europe and parts of Asia, we get a picture of the Indo-European spirit that is more inspiring than any of the writings of the Bible - the most essential sacred text of Christianity.

    Julius Evola was never hostile towards the pre-Christian Indo-European traditions; on the contrary, he was extremely inspired by the ancient Indo-European doctrines- He does in no way come out as a typical New Testament-style Christian in his writings, although he also found much to sympathize with in the Medieval European tradititions and society.
    In his 1928-book 'Imperialismo Pagano' ("Pagan Imperialism") he actually expressed himself in directly anti-Christian ways.
    I've heard that he regretted this book later, and didn't want it re-published, after having come to a more moderate position with regards to Christianity - although he still upheld the opinion that the more positive forms of historical European catholic traditions to a large extent was due to influence from paganism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    You ought to take a look at Alain de Benoist's book, On Being a Pagan. His thesis is that only the re-emergence of the ethics and values, not the religions per se, of pre-Christian Europe will cure the existential blight that exists at the core of European-derived human beings. He's specifically thinking of the values in the Illiad and the Odyssey, the Aeneid, the northern tales, and I'd daresay even the Christianized pagan/paganized Christian ethics in the chivalric legends.

    You can take what already exists (or the scraps of what once existed), the surviving lore from classical antiquity, the Germanic/Scandinavian north, and so on and find far more of existential worth therein than anything in the Bible.

    In terms of the Bible, I only really pay attention to the tales of the battling chieftains, kings, and warlords of the Old Testament [King James, of course]. What emerges is just the heroic past of the ancient Hebrews (who I don't connect with modern Jews btw; ancient Hebrews were probably of Canaanitish stock or somesuch- the fact that the Hebrews practiced Canaanite religion has always interested me ). Being deceived that Jesus is some sort of predestined penultimate Jewish savior is worth a *yawn* if you know that, in fact, Palestine was filled with so-called messiahs from hill and dale (to say nothing of the entirety of the ancient world itself, which was crawling with tricksters, con-men, so-called wizards, and whatnot who called themselves "son of God").
    Thank you! I was going to suggest this book myself. This book is excellent. And DeBenoist really says things in a way that anyone with common sense can understand. This book is a MUST. Check out pages 117 - 120 specifically on this topic. He tells how the West has become the "New Israel" in the fact that it claims to have completed Judaism. Therefore subjecting itself to be ruled by Judaism (Jews).

    If we don't totally drop christianity, we're doomed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar
    The author, Julius Evola, an Italian, is elaborating on the failings of neopaganism and that they, despite their best intentions, are working against the fabric of Western society. He's not slandering original paganism in any form, in fact praises ancient Aryan religion.
    Which poses the question whether it isnt time for "Aryans" to grow out and beyond the "christian west"?

    I know you'll scream bloody murder now, but think about it. The "west", as it stands, is a Zombie, an artificially kept alive thing that is very much a fantasy product in retrospective of people making something up according to their wishful thinking. The real existing "west" is about to turn us all into living dead, if we arent already as a folk and people, and soon we'll be dead and buried altogether.

    The "values" of the west work against us, the west is a prison for minds and man. The 19th century Awakening has been beaten down with all the brutality the west could bring up to reinclude Europe into the west and its rotten system.

    The west is fundamentally a problem to the Germanic / Aryan people. It is a lethal threat to our very existence.


    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar
    That is all neopaganism has to offer, the arbitrary beliefs of its practioners.
    Not that christianity had anything more to offer. Not two here who claim christianity as their religion share a common belief. And for real people around me christianity is still another thousand things. And the rotten "values" of the west are not at all contrary to christianity, quite the opposite, they are perfectly in line with it (in contrast to the, albeit romanticised, "medieval west" which was in act everything but christian). So I really dont see how christianity is supposed to combat any of its illnesses. It's a desease from which we must heal ourselves and eventually grow out and beyond, or it will kill us off within the next few decades.
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    If we would follow Evola and study his writings, his words could lead to the uprising of the "Aryan" spirit. Evola was not a christian. At all. He never made excuses for christianity either. He saw it for what it is, alien and destructive. Evola was the ultimate racist. And all his thoughts and theories are well founded and studied beyond anyone else in recent memory. He was a Pagan, and wanted us to find something "intelligent" without calling ourselves "atheist".
    "The mystery and secret of Wotan is not that "knowledge" of him is passed along through clandestine cults or even through the re-discovery of old books and texts--but rather that such knowledge is actually encoded in a mysterious way in the DNA, in the very genetic material, of those who are descended from him." - Secret of the Gothick God of Darkness

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