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    Social Welfare Programmes

    What do members think to these? I often hear them being decried, especially by our US colleagues (which is not a dig at them!) but in my view they're a good idea, generally speaking.

    The main problem is that, certainly as far as Europe is concerned, things have now got completely out of hand and we've created a dependency culture. Furthermore, the whole system appears to be geared up in favour of immigrants ... or are they just the most adept at exploiting it?

    I think that any civilised nation should look after its poor, elderly and infirm but I don't see its responsibilities as stretching far beyond this. We certainly shouldn't be paying for 3rd worlders to breed at our expense and I think child allowance is one of the most contentious issues with some major changes being needed here in particular!

    Any other thoughts on this?

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    I will say here in US social programs have been a problem since day one. I have many reasons not to like them, but my main reason is that it allows racial others to have more children than they can afford.

    The other reason is that people can take care of themselves if left alone. Before these social programs were around families took take of themselves and each other. Private charities took up the rest of the slack. Social programs can be blamed for destruction of the family unit and even to a larger extent the whole community and folk.
    Life is like a fire hydrant- sometimes you help people put out their fires, but most of the time you just get peed on by every dog in the neighborhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    I have many reasons not to like them, but my main reason is that it allows racial others to have more children than they can afford.
    This is a particular problem in the US & is a primary reason for the rapid demographic changes in Europe. There wouldn't be so many Muslims in Paris & London if there wasn't a social welfare safety net to support them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    This is a particular problem in the US & is a primary reason for the rapid demographic changes in Europe. There wouldn't be so many Muslims in Paris & London if there wasn't a social welfare safety net to support them.
    Exactly, and the quickest and easiest way to mount a first strike against immigrants is to remove this incentive to flock to our lands. There should be no free ride for invaders.

    I know someone who was in Germany and needed emergency medical care. He said the care was excellent, but they had to ask first if he had come to Germany to get free care, and of course he said no, because he hadn't. Apparently this is a problem, but they are relying upon an honorable answer to that question. A Germanic will likely answer honestly, while some scum from Turkey will have no problem lying.

    Our policies on invaders should be utterly specific... if you are part of our culture, you get care, if not... sorry. We'll patch you up and send you home, and that's it. We will certainly not educate your children for you, nor will we give you money and benefits to have more within our borders. And for God's sake, remove the laws that make any person born within our borders a citizen automatically, and also remove those which allow a naturalized citizen to reunite his entire extended family within our lands. Refugee status should not even exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    Refugee status should not even exist.
    I agree with that 100%.

    As for Welfare I feel it damages the people of our own Folk as it leads many away from a good life and makes them useless scroungers who are no better than Negroes when it comes to attitudes. I can see why people want to help others but the social cost is far to high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgard View Post
    I agree with that 100%.

    As for Welfare I feel it damages the people of our own Folk as it leads many away from a good life and makes them useless scroungers who are no better than Negroes when it comes to attitudes. I can see why people want to help others but the social cost is far to high.
    This used to be the role of the church, so with your assistance you got a measure of guilt as well. They would also probably offer to help find you a job, which, along with the Christianity, would scare away a lot of people. Sadly, that wouldn't work in the U.S., where Mestizos are religious and at least are not afraid to work.
    [02-10, 17:07] Chlodovech: cats may have a reason for meowing too

    [02-10, 17:08] renownedwolf: same reason as the missus then.. give me stuff/affection..though she doesnt need me to let her out in the garden for a poo..

    [02-10, 17:09] Chlodovech: that's more than I can say of Thoreidar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    This used to be the role of the church, so with your assistance you got a measure of guilt as well. They would also probably offer to help find you a job, which, along with the Christianity, would scare away a lot of people. Sadly, that wouldn't work in the U.S., where Mestizos are religious and at least are not afraid to work.
    Yes but there are only so many kids you can pay for on a wage. Also I never heard Negroes are big on work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgard View Post
    Yes but there are only so many kids you can pay for on a wage. Also I never heard Negroes are big on work.
    Exactly. That's the beauty of the old way of doing things, and it's why these less meritorious types did not breed out of control before social welfare came along. Marx's shallow ideal, "from each according to his ability and to each according to his need," is absolutely destructive to society, because it breeds the worst people and stifles the best. When you combine a proper set of values (appreciation for art and beauty, so folks like Rembrandt can do their thing,) along with Darwinian survival principles, you get the flourishing societies we had in the past.
    [02-10, 17:07] Chlodovech: cats may have a reason for meowing too

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    [02-10, 17:09] Chlodovech: that's more than I can say of Thoreidar

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    The discussion so far has focused on social welfare programs being negative in relation to the immigration problem, but I think it's safe to say we all agree on that front. I'm curious, what are your thoughts on social welfare programs in the absence of foreigners? Do you think that, if our societies were homogenous, they are still a bad idea? Do they inevitably lead to freeloading? Is it the government's responsibility to take care of these ubiquitous social struggles or rather that of our communities or some other societal institution?

    I'd be interested in hearing some opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley View Post
    The discussion so far has focused on social welfare programs being negative in relation to the immigration problem, but I think it's safe to say we all agree on that front. I'm curious, what are your thoughts on social welfare programs in the absence of foreigners? Do you think that, if our societies were homogenous, they are still a bad idea? Do they inevitably lead to freeloading? Is it the government's responsibility to take care of these ubiquitous social struggles or rather that of our communities or some other societal institution?

    I'd be interested in hearing some opinions.
    They are bad no matter what as they give government too much power. Any government that is big enough to give you what you want is big enough to take it away. The whole idea of social welfare is a form of slavery, it creates a dependant class. As I mentioned earlier welfare destroys the family and folk.
    Life is like a fire hydrant- sometimes you help people put out their fires, but most of the time you just get peed on by every dog in the neighborhood.

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