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    The Last Days of the American Male

    An interview with journalist Hanna Rosin: Why she'll argue that "men are finished" at the Sept. 20 Slate/Intelligence Squared U.S. debate.



    Hanna Rosin's 2010 Atlantic cover story, "The End of Men," was one of the most talked-about magazine articles in recent years. "Man has been the dominant sex since, well, the dawn of mankind," wrote Rosin, an award-winning journalist for Slate and the Atlantic. "But for the first time in human history, that is changing—and with shocking speed."

    That shift, she says, hasn't showed signs of slowing in the past year. And that's why she'll debate for the motion that "men are finished" during the Sept. 20 live Slate/Intelligence Squared U.S. debate at NYU.

    Why are men finished, exactly? Rosin says they've failed to adapt to a modern, postindustrial economy that demands a more traditionally—and stereotypically—feminine skill set (read: communication skills, social intelligence, empathy, consensus-building, and flexibility). Statistics show they're rapidly falling behind their female counterparts at school, work, and home. For every two men who receive a college degree, three women will. Of the 15 fastest-growing professions during the next decade, women dominate all but two. Meanwhile, men are even languishing in movies and on television: They're portrayed as deadbeats and morons alongside their sardonic and successful female co-stars.

    I caught up with Rosin earlier this week to talk about the downside of female dominance, her own decidedly unfeminist upbringing, and how she plans to win the Sept. 20 debate. Excerpts from the interview are below.



    Slate: What question or idea do you think will be at the core of the Sept. 20 debate?

    Hanna Rosin: The core of the debate will be deciding whether these trends [of women pulling ahead] are real or not. We see all of these bits and pieces [of "The End of Men" trend] in the economy and in pop culture. But the core will be determining whether it's really true, or whether it's just a momentary fad. All these TV sitcoms that decided men are emasculated and men are finished: Are they just a fad of the moment, or do they reveal something real? I think it's hard for people to wrap their minds around the fact that it might be something real.

    Slate: Is that something you experienced in the months after "The End of Men" came out—people having a hard time wrapping their mind around the concept?

    Rosin: Not really so much, actually. The two kinds of responses I experienced were an annoyed feminist response, which was, 'this is an argument that comes up historically over and over again as a distraction from the real problems that are facing women.' And then on the other side [there's a response] from men who find it insulting. Like, "Don't you care about your sons? Don't you care about your husband?" People think it's an insulting way to frame the argument.

    Slate: What are some of the biggest misconceptions you've had to respond to as a result of the "End of Men"? Did people misunderstand what you were trying to say at all?

    Rosin: The question I always have to respond to is, '[if women are taking over] why are there so many more men in power?' If you look at Hollywood, or you look at the Fortune 500 list, or you look at politics, there's a disproportionate number of men in the higher positions of power.

    Slate: Why is that, then?

    Rosin: Men have been at this for 40,000 years. Women have been rising for something like 30 or 40 years. So of course women haven't occupied every single [high-powered] position. How would that be possible? The rise of women is barely a generation old. But if you look at everything else, like the median, the big bulge in the middle, it's just unbelievable what has happened: Women are more than 50 percent of the workforce, and they're more than 50 percent of managers. It's just extraordinary that that's happened in basically one generation. It seems like whatever it is that this economy is demanding, whatever special ingredients, women just have them more than men do.

    Slate: Is the dominance of women right now a good thing?

    Rosin: The dominance of women is a good and a bad thing. If you take the non-college-educated class, for example, the women are really, really struggling. They're holding down the jobs, they're going to school, they're raising the kids. One economist calls that situation "the last one holding the bag" theory. In other words, the reason that women are doing better than men is because the children are with them, and so they have to make ends meet. So they hustle in order to make ends meet, but their lives are really, really hard, and it's terrible for the children. And the fact that about one-fifth of American men are not working—we're almost at Great Depression levels—that's really terrible. And it doesn't seem to be getting any better. So, no, this isn't like, "yay, we won! yay, we triumphed!" It's actually really bad.

    Slate: Recently, Pew released some data that revealed how the recovery has been better for men than women.

    Rosin: I've seen all of those numbers. It's totally unsurprising. Men were hit so unbelievably hard by this recession, but I think this is historically true in all recessions: You almost always get a bounce-back that favors the manufacturing industry initially. So it's not that surprising. It doesn't mean that overall men are doing better. The overall message of the last 25 to 30 years of the economy is the manufacturing era is coming to an end, and men need to retool themselves, get a different education than the one they've been getting, and they're not doing it.

    Slate: That's something you bring up in the piece—this failure of men to adapt. Ideally, of course, we'd have gender equality in all industrial and domestic spheres. But is this even realistic? Will men eventually assimilate to the new economy?

    Rosin: I'm not prepared to answer that question. Some people say it's biology and brain makeup that make women do better at this moment. Obviously that's partly true: There's some way in which women are wired to kind of concentrate and focus and do better in school. On the other hand, it may be because they're the underdogs, that they're getting this extra juice somehow. Sometimes I look at this new class of women who are surpassing their husbands and really hustling, like in places like pharmacy school, which is where one of my book chapters is set. And they remind me of new immigrants. They're this class of people who are trying to get somewhere in a real hurry, and the men just seem to be sitting around in no hurry. One of the young guys I interviewed put it to me: "I just feel like my team is losing." They feel like women have clocked them, and it came as a surprise to this young generation of men, so I don't know that they can't catch up. They might.

    Slate: You wrote "The End of Men" over a year ago, and now you're working on a book about the subject. If you had to write it again now, are there any sections that you would revise? Any data or information that you've uncovered since that has altered your perspective on the points you've made?

    Rosin: I don't think there's anything I would change about the actual piece, the piece is still true. But the issue manifests itself really differently for the college-educated class than for the non-college educated, and I think people mix those up all the time. So I would make that distinction much clearer in the piece, which I do in the book. I would also point out more cultural changes. There are so many ways this phenomenon is showing up in the culture—in TV, movies, in celebrity marriages. If you open your eyes to it, it's absolutely everywhere. I wrote a piece in the Atlantic last week about the new TV season in which six different fall sitcoms are about men being surpassed by women.

    Slate: Tell me a little bit about your upbringing. What were your family dynamics like growing up?

    Rosin: There were definitely no feminists in my house. My family was super working class. But there was a kind of natural female dominance. My mother definitely wears the pants in my family, and I come from generations where the men disappeared, got sick, died, or for whatever reason, the women wore the pants. My great-grandmother ran away from her husband, my grandmother's husband died very young, and my mother rules the roost in my house. But she would never say she was a feminist, ever. She's fairly conservative. I grew up with the natural sense that female dominance was possible, but not that it's some kind of political message. Female dominance wasn't an ideal, but just a natural occurrence by virtue of my mother's personality and the circumstances of all of the women ahead of her.

    Slate: Last thing. Have you ever debated before?

    Rosin: Yes, I was a mega-high-school debater.

    Slate: Any deadly teenage tactics that you're planning to pull out?

    Rosin: Just be really mean [laughs]. I feel like I debate the way I play soccer—there's some nugget of meanness that comes out. I think I'll just be entertaining, and slightly mean.
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    One reason boys are falling behind girls in school is because the education system has been skewed to suit female learning. Boys learn differently and need to know why they are learning something and to see how it translates to the real world.

    Also boys are aggressive and need to avenues to channel that aggression, all of those avenues are taken away from them so they fight and form gangs.

    Let's not forget PC and quota systems as well, would women be able to compete as well on a level playing field? Atleast in such large numbers?

    Doesn't matter too much the same people who promote the end of males are the ones who promote Islam a religion that has zero time and patience for women. When that day comes, I will not be fighting to defend these women.
    I grew up on a belief of honour, courage and the old world values. The world isn't about that anymore, preferring to die a slow death of fast food and cheap thrills.

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    It's not the end of the American male. it's the end of the heterosexual WHITE American male.

    Women have more options than men in that they can choose more freely where they can go and express themselves. Where the non white gets free hand outs, the woman of any race gets the freedom to be a woman to be taken care of ( in which allot of men gladly partake in..) and a woman that can be 'independant/strong'. women are encouraged to do both.
    (NO I am not saying women are like blacks or anything.)

    Men are expected to have a more linear path of life. A path that in these tough days with very few outlets to relieve tension. The saftey net preventing mental brakedown has holes in it for men.

    Everyone likes to demonize white males which causes reverse oppresive effects similar to how non whites use reverse racism against whites as a whole. The number one icon of fear as well as hope is the traight full blooded white male. There is no other being on the planet that causes fear,jelousy, and a sense that life can get better. Since the white male is seen as the great evil as well he gets targeted the most.

    Non whites who loath white men seek him for guidence and recourses.

    Today a white man can't be a real white man without criticism.

    women have multiple choices, men have responsibilities.

    When white men go, the world will go with him.
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    This Jew is just trying to make a name for herself. The irony is she lives in a society where she has the freedom, comfort, and security to espouse wacko theories in large part due to men. Does she really think that our civilization will go on for ever, that we will never revert back to a state where the male's generally superior physical strength/endurance will shift things back to patriarchy? I seem to recall a thread on this forum about women becoming extinct in about 4400 years or so anyway. Just another example of feminist Jews like to stoke the old gender war to undermine our western culture.

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    First of all, I completely disagree with this woman's argument, it is beyond folly to assume that the trends of the last couple decades of human history here in the west are going to continue long enough to completely alter basic human society forever afterward. Secondly, I would like to hear her explain away the obvious influence artificial assistance such as state-mandated programs like affirmative action have had on promoting the success of women at the expense of men. In order for her theory to be true men and women would have to be competing against one another on equal footing and that is simply not the case, leftist ideology has handicapped men significantly when competing against women in the modern world.

    All that aside, for the sake of argument I will allow that her argument might possibly be true here in the West. Unfortunately, the west is not the whole world, in terms of world population we are a small minority surrounded by ethnic groups who still treat women like cattle. The decline of the western male will undoubtedly result in a loss of military aptitude, which in turn will invariably result in our defeat and conquest at the hands of far less socially sophisticated people. It is the brutal truth about life.

    People like this woman amuse me because they are so far out of touch with life in the real world. They have spent all their days sequestered behind the safe walls that generations of western military prowess has built for them and they assume that such an existence is a right that should be bestowed upon all people of the world like waving a magic wand and singing kumbaya.

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    women live in a men's world. that did not change a bit.

    They use ipods invented and made by men, they use cars invented and made by men, they use TV's invented and made by men, they use computers invented and made by men, they have their food in the fridge invented and made by men, the printing press they use to spew their men-hate has been invented and made by men, the AC which makes it comfortable to live has been invented and made by men and on and on and on and on.

    Because they free to spew their hate it does not mean they are right, nor are they powerful.

    They are just immature people who deny any duty in life, something americans have a name for and it starts with a b.
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    I think it's great to be proud of being a woman and to be proud of womens accomplishments. It's not ok to be a man hater though. That attitude is so unpleasant and insulting.

    If someone said those things about women there would be a huge uproar, but it's perfectly ok to say them about men. I don't understand that logic.

    I think this woman is just using men to make herself feel better about her own failures.
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    The thing I've noticed about looney leftys, is they continously think that every thing is the be all and end all.

    Racism's finished
    Homophobia's finished
    and now men are finished.
    There'll be no come back from men and women will rule forever, and we'll, sometime over the next 40000 years obtain the drive that men have which makes them invent stuff and mark territory.

    I come across a lot of people who have this attitude, that all rivalry come to a complete end.

    I asked a teacher once(who had a mulatto child and was very PC) if doc martin boots would ever come back into fashion. She had just been talking about skinheads in england(who were the first people to wear them as streetwear). She misunderstood me and thought I was asking if skinheads will come back into fashion. She said, no no that time is over now, it will never come back. In recent years I've seen a huge emergence in skinheads on the internet in england and the states.

    My point is that looney lefties are selling a fantasy, that uncomfortable things can be done away with for good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiona View Post
    My point is that looney lefties are selling a fantasy, that uncomfortable things can be done away with for good.
    Telling a tale of deceit and falsity as I call it. Making white men look askance upon white women and vice-versa. In favor of.. political correctness. Multiculturalism.
    'Militia est vita hominis super terram [The life of man upon earth is a warfare] (Job 7:1).'

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