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    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar
    I know you're type who likes to blame Christianity for everything (ad nauseam), but let's face it, we have only to blame the absence of Christianity (religious fabric of society & government).
    Yeah, right, the religious superstitions that enabled that mess in the first place is in the heads of some religious nutcases still the savior :

    Christianity doesnt belong here, if the Roman Empire 2.0 wants to keep it, your choice and go down with it, but leave us alone with that backward cultural-marxism.

    It's no real surprise that all the Liberalism stuff is just the same religion in Amiland like the "judeo-christian identity", they both come out of the same pool of thought, and just like the Jewish g-d, the holy cow of Liberal Free Market Capitalism is worshipped. Like Europe once and Britain later, the US fights Israel's wars and even believes in its religious blindness they would fight for their own interests, while destroying themselves.

    It's btw interesting, but not unexpected, that you wont be able to put a sound argument against my first paragraph. Your desperate repeating of "no it just cannot be what shouldnt be" becomes more empty with each replay. Why cant you just look reality into the face? Why the denial? It is so obvious for everyone who dares to look at the world and what's going on that only religious fanatical belief can possibly blind you for the facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet
    And obviously, the makers became really busy and produced a 3d part:
    Zeitgeist: Moving Forward
    (havent seen that one yet)
    I watched this part a few months ago. It's horrific. As is usual for the Zeitgeist industry, a few misleading half truths are mixed in with vile lies and the astonishing nonsense of New Age gurus.

    In this Zeitgeist movie the enemy's vision of the future is outlined. In it, his utopia is described. The narrator tells us, the viewers: "Imagine our world as a clean sheet, imagine a world without republicans." It tell us something about the creators' ideological stance and it should raise red flags all over the place.

    The world can not start all over again unless virtually everyone is dead, or at least anyone opposing the creation of this utopia. Or it would have to be a world living under a totalitarian regime the likes of which no-one has ever seen before. Since no believing christian, muslim, little entrepeneur or any nationalist will ever agree with the Zeitgeist's movement vision of the future - the vast majority of the world population will have to die or be converted before anything can be achieved.

    Traditions, tribal and national feuds, religions, cultural and biological differences exist and will continue to exist, even though this movie pretend they don't. So I was curious as to how this multiracial utopia would be politically organized.

    However, tellingly 'Moving Forward' does not touch upon the subject of politics (nor the justice system or the rights of the 'political opposition'), but it is made perfectly clear that anyone clinging on to 'old ideas' has simply tough luck - but exactly how the new regime will enforce its rule remains a mystery. There's not a single word about some form of 'democracy' either - nor is there any talk of the person who would carry the ultimate political responsibility, like a president or a king - instead the movie emphasizes the economic organisation ('resource based economy') of this 'paradise on earth'. It seems like 'power' will become even more faceless than it is today. And everyone seeing this communist propaganda for what it is, is also ridiculed and declared an igorant hick or redneck by the movie itself. It's no surprise, given the hysterical attack on 'the patriarchy' which was part of the first Zeitgeist movie.

    'Moving Forward' describes how we will live in the future. In circular shaped, 'self-sufficient', uniform, hypermodern cities apparently, which, in true maoist style, seem to have no respect for the past and its architecture. Within the circle there are segments - this segment is your real, immediate community - and one doesn't need to venture outside his own part of the city in order to lead the life one is supposed to live. Everything is there, because each city segment is divided in several zones - which look identical to the zones of any other segment. In one zone there will be supermarkets, shops, movie theatres and libraries, in another zone the city's population will be housed, on the outskirts of the city, food will be grown for the people inside it, etc. For relocation we have to rely on public transport.

    Only a fraction of the population will still have to go to work in this community - and those who work will be highly skilled because they operate futuristic machines (which make structural mass-unemployment inevitable). And lo' and behold, not for money, they simply do it because they're dedicated (!!!) to this soulless utopia - which is a megalomanic, authoritarian technocracy of epic proportions. The rest of the people in this society are supposed to fill their days with more interesting stuff than work. One could criticize the economics of this utopia, but for now it suffices to say that 'Moving Forward' does not make any distinction between money and currency and that is a crucial mistake.

    Two main intellectual pillars of the dystopia depicted in 'Moving forward' are cybernetics and ecosystems. Two failed ideas and recognised as such by academics, given the failed hippy and post-hippy communal/social experiments and the expansion of knowledge in several fields of science. But cybernetics and ecosystems still capture the imagination of a wide audience in the USA and Europe. If anything, this audience has grown to a larger size. Somehow many, many people have been conditioned to believe in hippie ideals, which are precisely those ideals of the cultural marxists and the misanthropic, radical ecological movement. Somehow many people long for some kind of communal life, for a techno-green future. And when these dreamers and nihilists, youngsters and atheists suffering from anxiety attacks - and ignorant do-gooders - are exposed to the Zeitgeist movies their only response is to swallow it all. It's the best they can do because they have been raised with vague notions of morality, of good and evil, all of which are meaningless or distorted. Nothing is more worrying. It's a sign of things to come.

    Here are two episodes of Adam Curtis' sublime 'All watched over by machines of loving grace' series, on the business of cybernetics and ecosystems. They're the perfect antidote for the Zeitgeist poison.



    And this part continues where the other left off The Monkey in the Machine and the Machine.

    The Venus Project - the UN funded organisation which is behind the Zeitgeist movies and created 'The Zeitgeist Movies' - is led by ex-communist partymember Jacque Fresco, but in practice it's the notorious Roxanne Meadows who pulls the strings. She recently kicked off all the hippies living on her 95 year old husband's land.

    The Zeitgeist movies offer a conspiracy theory from the far left - as opposed to Alex Jones (who blasted The Zeitgeist movies) and company and his and other rightwing or libertarian conspiracy theories. I suppose there's a large audience for Zeitgeist's movies which consists of mainly progressive young students who believe in a vast rightwing, global conspiracy. It is the conspiracy theory our goverments want you to believe because it represents no threat to them at all, but on the contrary furthers their puppetmasters' goal.

    Zeitgeist is well-marketed and therefore mainstream. More than 50 million people have watched the first two parts of the Zeitgeist series, this unapologetic luciferian, ecomarxist and masonic propaganda for a new world order. It doesn't get any more evil than this. Whoever buys into the lies of the Venus Project will not taste eternal life.



    Note: I do not necessarily endorse anything you'll see in this short, amateuristic videoclip, because clearly its creator has more respect for the Jewish faith than is due. But it's an interesting watch for those who are not familiar with The Venus Project and the Zeitgeist Movement.

    And here are some videos which expose the Zeitgeist mythmaking in regards to christianity. The boring truth will set you free.
    “Every integral man has inside him, in his heart of hearts, a mystic center around which all else revolves. This mystic whirling lends unity to his thoughts and actions; it helps him find or invent the cosmic harmony. For some this center is love, for others kindness or beauty, others the thirst for knowledge or the longing for gold and power. They examine the relative value of all else and subordinate it to this central passion.” - Nikos Kazantzakis, 'Report to Greco'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech
    ... which expose the Zeitgeist mythmaking in regards to christianity. The boring truth will set you free.
    I already said that I dont agree with their utopia nor the pretext on which it builds (ie that "mankind is one"). I also already said that the important bit of the movie is "Understanding the Banking System" (see also title of this thread), which they imho do quite well. The more ordinary people learn and understand about it the better, it's one of the preconditions to turn a critical mass around and get something moved.

    And no, you wont convert me to christianity, imho the first Zeitgeist also portrait this part of the globalist utopia quite well.

    Beside, that is rather irrelevant too. Christianity is not our culture. It's just another universal non-culture. And we really really need our culture back, else its just a different way into the same abyss. A people without its own culture dies. Because a people without a culture or with a cultural marxist replacement pseudo-culture doesnt know its roots, and a people that doesnt know its roots and history doesnt have a future. Christianity stole our roots, our history and our future.

    It does not belong here. It never did, and never will.
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