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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernhard View Post
    The nationalsocialist concept of blood and soil should not be mistaken with some chthonic understanding of the relationship between blood and soil.
    Darré didn't exactly have the cthonic attitude, but he did believe that Germany was a sacred place in itself, and that the German people had a special organic link to its soil (in contrast to the wandering parasitic Jews, who don't have this link).

    This is also what the Romans believed - that they had greater rights to Rome than anyone else had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindefense View Post
    That's a strange statement from one who openly advocates a policy of negative eugenics.
    Only if you see this individually.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vindefense View Post
    We might go as far to recognize and fear a most unpleasant truth, that all populations which displace others will be displaced in turn.
    The crux is that even if you recognize the borders of others, you will get displaced eventually. All is flux. The question is just by whom.

    Quote Originally Posted by Odalman View Post
    Does that mean it's "ancestral Polish land" now? I think not.
    Not "ancestral", but it is indeed Polish land now. You can make as many jumping jacks as you want, this wont change a thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Odalman View Post
    ...but he did believe that Germany was a sacred place in itself...
    In any case, NS doctrine did not believe this.
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernhard View Post
    The nationalsocialist concept of blood and soil should not be mistaken with some chthonic understanding of the relationship between blood and soil. It doesn't mean that people are sprung from the soil and therefor eternally bound to it. The same goes for Evola's thoughts on the matter by the way.
    I am also drawn to make a more mechanistic and sociological interpretation of it. Maybe it is a bit un-Nazi of me, but I believe that we are, to some extent, formed as individuals by the social structures that surround us. So at the time, for Darré & co., the type of person formed by the social structures operating in the country side was preferable to the type formed by the social structures operating in the large cities. Similarly, if you change the social structures in society you will also change the type of individual that it produces, and hence Hitlerjugend et hoc genus omne.

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    Indeed, Neophyte. We are molded by the environment which we are raised in, the unique land and climate. This can be either countryside or city or anything. And if we move out and conquer another land - creating a new "blood and soil" - and our descendants are raised there, they will be molded by that land. Which brings us back to the OP of this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorbrand View Post
    but it is too easy to generalise with regards Himmler. The picture painted of him since the end of the war (in the media, publications, education, etc.) has been one of vilification and demonisation. For example, the story of Himmler having been a chicken farmer is constantly raised as a point of ridicule (perhaps had he been a banker or theatrical entrepreneur he might have fared better ) what is wrong with it? His physique is ridiculed, his shyness, his 'school teacher' bearing, etc, etc.
    I never liked Heinrich Himmler, regardless of "vilification". He was no warrior, he was mocked by his own SS soldiers behind his back, he fainted like a young girl at the sight of blood. His bizarre policies against conquered populations were insanely counterproductive to the Germans in the long term. On top of that, he was a squat, chubby, slant-eyed freak (I would never classify him as a Germanic if I didn't know better). Reinhard Heydrich, on the other hand, was the NS ideal personified.

    It's strange, that a vile creature like Himmler was allowed to lead an elite battalion like the SS. There were many SS men who could do it much better than him.

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    The Blood and Soil Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Odalman View Post
    I never liked Heinrich Himmler, regardless of "vilification". He was no warrior, he was mocked by his own SS soldiers behind his back, he fainted like a young girl at the sight of blood. His bizarre policies against conquered populations were insanely counterproductive to the Germans in the long term. On top of that, he was a squat, chubby, slant-eyed person (I would never classify him as a Germanic if I didn't know better). Reinhard Heydrich, on the other hand, was the NS ideal personified.

    It's strange, that a vile creature like Himmler was allowed to lead an elite battalion like the SS. There were many SS men who could do it much better than him.
    I still think you are being harsh. He did not rise to the position he did by being weak. Although he was trained as an officer for WW1 he never served on the front and to all intents and purposes his genius was in what could loosely be termed police work. He was a superb bureaucrat. As for his physical appearance perhaps that could be a thread in itself..'was H H Germanic?' His eyes? Always seen behind very thick glasses, his weight? He put weight on in his forties (occupational hazard of ageing) but he had earlier completed his SA sports badge, etc. i.e. he did not sidestep the physical demands required of an SS man. He did nearly faint at the sight of blood on one occasion - suffering from syncope perhaps...but then he had no combat experience...or did he? He would almost certainly have been involved in street battles as a Freikorp member and early member of the NSDAP. I agree about the counterproductive treatment of conquered people (such as the Ukrainians) but it's more complex than being merely Himmler's decision. Anyway perhaps we shouldn't get off beam with Himmler as this is a Blood and Soil thread
    “unless they know, mystically, that beneath the concrete lies the earth which has nourished their race for a thousand years and ... that it is their own earth from which their blood is shed and renewed, then they are a lost people, and easy prey for those who have lacked roots for many centuries"
    A. K. Chesterton

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