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    Darre can be seen, very briefly, in Triumph of the Will. He's in the montage section of "leaders" speeches.
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    Julius Evola wrote about this subject, and I happen to share his opinion:
    In our time, land is merely goods like all other goods, that you can sell or rent out whenever you feel like it. Evola says this is a social decay. In the European tradition, we respected the land and saw it as an individual, loaded with its own meaning and symbolism, and this led to the philosophy we call "Blood and Soil".
    If a place can be an unique individual, then the Småland highlands with their forests are an individual, just like the fertile wheat fields of Skåne, or the Västergötland urheimat. And the peoples who have grown in this unique land will also be molded by it. Their blood will have an organic link with the soil.

    Evola also brings up the two different attitudes to Blood and Soil. One of them is "telluric" and "earthly". This is a primitive attitude, seen among people who worship Mother Earth and are passively shaped by their environment. The other attitude is the "solar" and "heroic", where the people fill a place with positive energy and a higher meaning. The Europeans had this view on their lands, and this was seen when the Norse settled in Iceland. A ritual was done before a new land was settled, to make this soil a part of the "cosmos". Evola points out that there's a special attitude to land-owning that is linked to the European spirit. An area of land is not a dead piece of material that can be bought with money, but there is an unbreakable link between the soil and the blood of its owners. Evola names the Norse tradition of odal as an example (and this is how I got my username ). It's obvious that one who has inherited an odal from his father has a different relationship to his property, than a hobo does with a TV he found behind a trashcan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odalman View Post
    It's obvious that one who has inherited an odal from his father has a different relationship to his property, than a hobo does with a TV he found behind a trashcan.
    And if unlucky being stuck with crappy farmland forever? Germanics used to reject ownership of land in the first place, land has to be in service to its people.
    Blood and soil means that a bond between land and person is forged when this person is willing to spill his blood for it, thus sometimes new land is conquered and sometimes this connection with land perishes with their defenders.

    Additionally, do you also support the idea that a people should artificially restrict its births? Or what does a farmer do with 5 sons? Split the land?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Germanics used to reject ownership of land in the first place, land has to be in service to its people.
    No, this whole "land is an object that exists to serve us" mentality is very much a Middle-Eastern idea, and our merchant-ruled society makes it even worse. The ancient Germanics actually felt a deep connection with their soil.

    EDIT: And stop retro-editing your posts after I've replied to them, it gets very annoying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odalman View Post
    No, this whole "land is an object that exists to serve us" mentality is very much a Middle-Eastern idea, and our merchant-ruled society makes it even worse. The ancient Germanics actually felt a deep connection with their soil.
    You can respect (and feel connected to) your servants, there is no contradiction.

    Quote Originally Posted by Odalman View Post
    EDIT: And stop retro-editing your posts after I've replied to them, it gets very annoying.
    Hm, if I would do this, it would show as "last edited ...", so I do it before you actually reply, but I admit its a bad habit of mine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Germanics used to reject ownership of land in the first place, land has to be in service to its people.
    If land is in service to its people, doesn't this mean that it has to be owned by those who are capable of ordering and maintaining it in the service of the people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernhard View Post
    If land is in service to its people, doesn't this mean that it has to be owned by those who are capable of ordering and maintaining it in the service of the people?
    Yes, owned by the collective, used by individuals.
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    It probably becomes a matter of semantics then, because with the distinction you make between owning and using different rights are implied (if I'm not mistaken). Those capable of maintaining the land - or those that use it as you say - must have certain rights to do so which those lower in the hierarchy of the collective (those who are incapable) do not have. In this way "owned by the collective and used by individuals" means somewhat the same as "owned by individuals but destined for the collective".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernhard View Post
    In this way "owned by the collective and used by individuals" means somewhat the same as "owned by individuals but destined for the collective".
    Yes

    EDIT: Come to think of it, this depends how strong you emphasize the correct definition of "ownership", e.g. if the individual can't sell the land to a Chinese person, he is not really the owner.
    As you said, this is semantics, I prefer my formulation though, it makes it more clear who shall be the paramount beneficiary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernhard
    If land is in service to its people, doesn't this mean that it has to be owned by those who are capable of ordering and maintaining it in the service of the people?
    Why should it have to be owned by those who use it?

    I'd even go so far as to reformulating Jäger's sentence into:
    owned by the collective, served by the collective's individuals.

    The idea of ownership came with the Romans, before that it may have been somewhat similar to the point of view the Samis had. Land is not a possession, they consider that a rather absurd idea (with the result that it was collectively taken from them), the Indians had a similar viewpoint too. Land was there to serve the needs of the community and the reindeer herds, the work of farming was done not by individuals but also by the community, by who ever was not busy with other work. Now, there's is a natural difference between nomadic folks like the Sami or Indians or Mongols and settled and agricultural folks like us, where the idea of ownership may have come about to possibly a village "owning" this or that pieces of land around its settlement against other villages around. But I think indidivual ownership and that "that's mine alone" thinking was not originally ours in regards to land, although this certainly did not extent to houses, that most likely provided a private sphere and also were a private (family) possession.

    The splitting of individually owned farms through inheritance to several children later proved to be disadvantageous too, since the pieces became ever smaller and could neither provide enough food for those who owned it nor produced enough to sell the surplus (to feed those who possessed no land and to have access to other goods). This produced large scale poverty.

    On another scale this thinking also produced wars or at least murder, when the less scrupulous one wanted the piece of his brother. It's not a rare occurance in recorded history that a splitted kingdom/duchy gets "reunified" through such acts.

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