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    Are Ethnic Mixed Children Physically Stronger?

    This is just a question: Are children of mixed race not physically stronger? Considering that the bone structure of whites are not as strong as those of blacks, and the fact that a white exposed to sunlight for a day could be seriously ill, while a black person might not be affected at all - would the offspring of a white pro-creating with a black not be less vulnerable physically?

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    I guess it may be possible, but there has been studies that have proven that finding organ donors etc for mixed race people is very difficult if not impossible and then the pyschological effect on the child of not understanding who they are and not looking like either race and not being accepted by others for that reason would outweigh the possible benefit of being slighty stronger.
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    A black-white hybrid would certainly have melanin levels and bone structure better suited for equatorial regions than did its white parent. Whether it leads you to the conclusion that this hybrid individual is stronger, and thus better, is up to you. Personally I have to laugh at the idea.

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    Short answer: No!

    Quote Originally Posted by FearingAfrica View Post
    This is just a question: Are children of mixed race not physically stronger? Considering that the bone structure of whites are not as strong as those of blacks, and the fact that a white exposed to sunlight for a day could be seriously ill, while a black person might not be affected at all - would the offspring of a white pro-creating with a black not be less vulnerable physically?
    Of all the races, blacks are the most susceptible to diseases both infectious and degenerative. There are a number of rare/odd diseases that are only seen in blacks.

    In fact, all medical evaluations or reports were prefaced with the age and the race of the patient (at least before the latest round of PC speech control)
    because race is the second most important data point in making a diagnosis
    or determining the correct treatment plan.

    Blacks' bones are not "stronger", they are "thicker" in certain areas. Whether that is necessarily "stronger" depends on other factors.

    As for general physical fitness, again it depends on the physical activity.
    In general, and in most sports, Whites clearly out perform blacks. The reasons that blacks are so over represented in many sports today are political and sociological, not physiological. To give an example, professional
    boxing is currently "dominated" by black fighters because the rules have been changed over the years to favor blacks and their "thicker" bones.
    In other words, pound for pound, blacks have more bones and less muscle,
    and their muscles are very good at short bursts of energy but lack endurance. So in the old days, when boxing matches had as many rounds as
    necessary to determine a clear victor ( one match went 70 rounds) blacks couldn't compete with Whites. In this "modern" age when matches are only 15 rounds and most "victories" are determined on "points", surprisingly enough blacks seem to "win" most of the time.
    Of course, there are many sports were blacks can't even compete at all,
    no matter how they might try to change the rules.
    My favorite is swimming. Thanks to their "thicker" bones, most blacks are
    negatively buoyant, which means that they sink like a rock in the water.
    The city of Miami, Florida which has an inordinate number of waterways, required all new police trainees to pass a swimming test. Unfortunately for the city's affirmative action quota, no blacks, or almost none, could pass the
    swimming test (since this is the new amurrica, they finally just got rid of the test).
    As for sunlight, I too believed the myth that blacks don't sunburn. Then back in the 60's I met a black from Detroit who had been a beatnik in Paris in the 50's. Not a lot of sun in Detroit and not a lot of sun in the beat coffee houses
    in Paris, but the 1st day he got to the South of France he passed out on the beach for about 6 hours. And spent the next several weeks in the hospital.

    As for miscegenation, in my experience the children tend to get the bad traits from both parents. You should really ask a professional animal breeder for the definitive answer, but in general, animal breeders consider an accidental or casual cross between two different breeds to be an unmitigated
    disaster. The only time they will cross two different breeds is when they have a very specific trait they are trying to enhance. And even then, more often than not, the offspring are defective in some way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FearingAfrica View Post
    This is just a question: Are children of mixed race not physically stronger?
    Considering the genetic possibility, yes, hybrid vigour can occur in the first couple of generations (but is quickly bred out, and continues at a lower level than the genetically superior group).

    Considering the ethnic reality and the need to keep our folk as our folk and not have it watered down with the more primitive races, it is not a wager I'd place my bets with, and thus becomes a fairly irrelevant matter.
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    Social Darwinism using ‘hybrid vigour’ can be countered with social Darwinism such as ‘survival of the fittest’ by citing the historical domination and subjugation of racial others by Europoids.

    “Hybrid vigor” actually just references the times when cross-breeding happens to increase fitness – not a fact that it always occurs. There’s another term, “outbreeding depression,” for when cross-breeding causes more problems.

    The Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study shows US children of African-Caucasian cross-ethnic unions score .47 SD lower on cognitive tests taken at age 17 than adopted children of Caucasian heritage, and .67 SD higher than adopted children of African heritage. (The average IQ of the adopting parents in this study was more than 1 standard deviation above the population mean of 100.)

    hybrid vigour only applies to F1 hybrids (first generation). Not humans but with hybrid wheat - the companies keep the pure lines, mix them in the labor and sell the best hybrid variants. But their real capital are the pure lines, because after the hybrid variant was produced, the next generation of hybrids (F2) would be at best intermediate, often worse. That’s just the heterosis effects, known as the "luxurisation of bastards" in German.

    That’s why race mixture is not that good in humans as in grains, even if the F1 generation would be better than intermediate (if one type is far back, better than intermediate means still worse anyway), the effect and the pure types are lost afterwards.

    But as I said, that’s a F1 story and it doesnt really work that good for humans because they have less good traits which are very distant, with the more positive feature being dominant, to combine with anyway. Furthermore since they are not produced in the labor with pure lines in the background, its just a waste of good lines in many cases since the better racial types are quite stable with a good predominance of advantageous traits anyway. It doesnt really work for humans that good (Agrippa).

    In a large, well designed study of interracial crosses in Hawaii, Newton Morton and his colleagues found no significant beneficial effects among the offspring of an inter-racial cross when compared to offspring whose parents were from the same racial group.

    Hybrid vigor also depends on which traits you are looking at.

    Does the thoroughbred horse aesthetically excel a mule?

    Does anyone seriously think a pit-bull cross poodle would overcome a pit- bull in a fight?

    Genetic variety amongst Europoids or even Germanics is already extremely diverse.

    Also looking at most weightlifters I doubt it

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Aesthete View Post
    Social Darwinism using ‘hybrid vigour’ can be countered with social Darwinism such as ‘survival of the fittest’ by citing the historical domination and subjugation of racial others by Europoids.
    "Survival of the fittest" does actually, in Darwin's writing, not speak about the strongest, most powerful, it speaks about the one most adapted to a given circumstance, the one most fit for a given environment.

    The historical domination of Europoids over Negroids is an ill example, both survived. A better example would be to stress how Germanics were able to make good living in South Africa, but how more crusaders actually died from ill-fitness to the climate and lack of immunity to the diseases present in the Eastern and Soutern Mediterranean.

    “Hybrid vigor” actually just references the times when cross-breeding happens to increase fitness – not a fact that it always occurs. There’s another term, “outbreeding depression,” for when cross-breeding causes more problems.
    Umm...it's pointless to remind me of this. I have written that it "can occur", not that it "occurs". The conditional that already considers that it may or may not happen was already included in what I said, your posting evidence to prove what I said (that it can occur, but is quickly bred out) is rather redundant.
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    half-caste children physically stronger? Ill bet the vikings who werent exactly weaklings would laugh at the idea!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BritishLad View Post
    half-caste children physically stronger? Ill bet the vikings who werent exactly weaklings would laugh at the idea!
    Actually, the Vikings - much as Germanics in general - were the result of advantageous genetic mixing between the more Cro-Magnid and the more Neolithic Europid subtypes; this way athleticity and sturdiness could combine, and an overly dynamic type could fuse with a more laid-back type, creating this unique Germanic gene pool that we know, which allowed us to essentially become amongst the vanguard of human genetic potential.

    That extension of the gene pool can be advantageous is something that cannot be denied, a question that has to be answered in the positive - and we see the successful realisation of an advantageous mixing between two major strain families in ourselves. The question is rather: Can such mixing be in the long run advantageous when meddling with evidently lesser, racially most unprogressive, ultimately genetically inferior populations.

    And to this second question, the only answer can be: No, mixing with them can and will not be genetically advantageous beyond a couple of generations of potential hybrid vigour; the ultimate result would - besides the loss of our unique identity - be of a lesser racial quality than we are of now; so even from a genetic perspective: We shall not mix with racial others, most especially not Negroids under any circumstances. Not if we were the last Germanic, and indeed the last Europoid on the planet.
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    One thing occurred to me about the OP:

    All of the things you postulate that a black-White hybrid may be better at are confined to the tropical climate.

    I've yet to see a black (non-professional) who outdoes me in winter sports. Skiing, snowshoeing, etc (I suspect that comes back to the high-endurance muscle versus explosive power muscle).

    If you look at natural race distributions, equatorial races are dark, northern and southern races get progressively whiter. So, I'd say a black-White hybrid (IFF it got the best traits of both parent, which is not likely) would be a better general-purpose design, meaning lesser than the "pure" race for that region.

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