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    Taken from the - now defunct - website Legion Europa.




    Pan-Europeanism - Our Fundamental Concept

    Pan-Europeanism can be defined as a movement which represents the interests of, is interested in, and respects, ALL people of indigenous European ethnic descent in a reasonably equivalent manner.

    That is what pan-Europeanism IS. The following seven items are examples of what it is NOT.

    Pan-Europeanism (PE) does NOT:

    1) Claim that all of the European (Euro) peoples are exactly the same, and equal in all things. That would be an absurdity and against all reason. On the other hand, PE does not claim that some Euro groups are "all good", while others are "all bad", as is common within many precincts of "the movement." Nor does PE have a hypocritical, sliding scale of standards for different Euro groups.

    2) Propose a mass homogenization of Euro peoples and cultures. Such a proposal would be repulsive and unworkable. Instead, we wish to preserve the unique aspects of different groups, and help ALL these groups defend their ethnic interests.

    3) Cover over real conflicts between Euro groups. No, We cannot do this. Instead, we insist that these conflicts be settled in a reasonable manner, in an amicable, family way. We do not obfuscate conflict; we wish to solve it.

    4) Pick and choose what groups we wish to include in the PE structure. Some folks say that they are "PE", but then start making exceptions - they don't like Russians or Italians or Greeks or non-Indo European speakers (Basques, Hungarians, Finns, etc.), or they do not think that the British Isles should be considered Europe.....ad nauseam. Folks who do this are not pan-Euro.

    5) Say that being PE precludes an interest in a more narrow ethnic grouping. On the contrary, we say that there should be no real incompatibility between ethnic interests and pan-Euro interests. We need both the whole, and the parts of the whole, for our survival.

    6) Say that all "Caucasians" are Euros. This is not so. While we have nothing against any people, we must state that we have a definite ingroup, and that ingroup does not include peoples outside the Euro bioculture. These other peoples (Jews, Arabs, Hindus, et al.) have their own ingroups, biocultures, and organized activists. Nor does being pan-Euro mean that we do not have standards for human quality. Human quality is very important; our point being however that persons of high and low quality can be found within every Euro group.

    7) Obsess over what Euro groups are "superior" or "inferior" to each other, or are "purer", etc. We are not interested in that, nor in creating "caste systems" of different Euro groups. Instead, for all those in our ingroup, we will have merit-based activism - those people who are the most intelligent, disciplined, and dedicated will be the ones who rise naturally to positions of leadership.

    What we ARE about is fighting for the rights and interests of all Euros, and looking for people of quality from every Euro group, to join our struggle for the survival and advancement of the West.

    Thus, the pan-European perspective. Anglo-Saxons, Irish, French, Iberians, Germans and Austrians, Italians, Slavs, Balts, Scandinavians, Romanians, Hungarians, Greeks, Basques, Swiss, those from the "Benelux" nations - ALL are welcome.

    Work with us, with Legion Europa, to build both the moral/spiritual framework, as well as the group-serving structures, that will enable our people to forge ahead in the struggle for survival.

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    This is staff from LegionEuropa?Great site but unfortunetely is down !
    What do you think Siegfriend ,about a PanEuropean private forum like Temple of Perun or Forum Romanum ,here in Skadi?
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    Post Re: Pan-Europeanism - Our Fundamental Concept

    Quote Originally Posted by PRINCE EUGEN
    This is staff from LegionEuropa?Great site but unfortunetely is down !
    Use www.webarchive.org to bring back archived sections of that page


    What do you think Siegfriend ,about a PanEuropean private forum like Temple of Perun or Forum Romanum ,here in Skadi?
    Might be interesting. Count me in I doubt it'll have much traffic though.

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    Post Re: Pan-Europeanism - Our Fundamental Concept

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried Augustus
    Use www.webarchive.org to bring back archived sections of that page




    Might be interesting. Count me in I doubt it'll have much traffic though.
    We,the paneuropeans we're the minority in Skadi but the majority in real life!
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    Post Re: Pan-Europeanism - Our Fundamental Concept

    Quote Originally Posted by PRINCE EUGEN
    We,the paneuropeans we're the minority in Skadi but the majority in real life!
    That's right! It is MAGNA EVROPA or nothing! Check out the essay I wrote on Degrelle for LEGION EUROPA:

    http://web.archive.org/web/200210100...story/ldg1.htm

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    Post Re: Pan-Europeanism - Our Fundamental Concept

    Quote Originally Posted by ogenoct
    That's right! It is MAGNA EVROPA or nothing! Check out the essay I wrote on Degrelle for LEGION EUROPA:

    http://web.archive.org/web/200210100...story/ldg1.htm

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    Thanks a lot comrade!
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    Post Re: Pan-Europeanism - Our Fundamental Concept

    Some criticisms of the PE perspective;

    First PE says that it will treat all "Europeans" in a "reasonably equivalent" manner. Then it says;

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried Augustus
    Pan-Europeanism (PE) does NOT:
    1) Claim that all of the European (Euro) peoples are exactly the same, and equal in all things.
    So where does it stand on that issue?
    This seems to imply that PE thinks that some Europeans are more equal than others.

    3) We insist that conflicts between Euro groups be settled in a reasonable manner, in an amicable, family way.
    Easier said than done; Ireland and the Balkans show that 'reason' went out of the window long age.

    4) PE does NOT pick and choose what groups we wish to include in the PE structure.
    But lines do have to be drawn - or don't they?
    And what of those obstinate Subracialists who do not wish to be considered Pan-Europens?
    Would the PE ultimately have to fight them the way the North fought the South in the US?

    6) PE does NOT say that all "Caucasians" are Euros... We have a definite ingroup, and that ingroup does not include peoples outside the Euro bioculture. These other peoples (Jews, Arabs, Hindus, et al.) have their own ingroups, biocultures, and organized activists.
    What of those groups which have integrated with European culture, such as European Muslims, Theosohpists etc.,

    7) PE does NOT obsess over what Euro groups are "superior" or "inferior" to each other, or are "purer", etc...
    Instead, for all those in our ingroup, we will have merit-based activism - those people who are the most intelligent, disciplined, and dedicated will be the ones who rise naturally to positions of leadership.
    Which will tend to set up such degrees of inferiority/superiority etc.,
    Isn't this part of human nature?
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
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    Post Re: Pan-Europeanism - Our Fundamental Concept

    What of those groups which have integrated with European culture, such as European Muslims, Theosohpists etc.,
    If it comes down to it, do so-called 'European Muslims' side with Europe, or the House of Islam? That would answer the question of whether they are European or not. I agree with the rest of your post.
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    Post Re: Pan-Europeanism - Our Fundamental Concept

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    Some criticisms of the PE perspective;

    First PE says that it will treat all "Europeans" in a "reasonably equivalent" manner. Then it says;

    So where does it stand on that issue?
    This seems to imply that PE thinks that some Europeans are more equal than others.
    The concept obviously requires too much sense from the people.
    For example: Romania and UK are not equal, and it would be stupid and unrealistic to say they are equal, but both are in all senses European countries.

    Easier said than done; Ireland and the Balkans show that 'reason' went out of the window long age.
    Really?! Or is it that the wars and animosities serve a purpose to someone's imperialism and control.

    But lines do have to be drawn - or don't they?
    And what of those obstinate Subracialists who do not wish to be considered Pan-Europens?
    Would the PE ultimately have to fight them the way the North fought the South in the US?
    A subracial fetishist is not a friend of Europe. Thus, it doesn't consern him.


    What of those groups which have integrated with European culture, such as European Muslims, Theosohpists etc.,
    A practising Muslim who fights for the spread of Islam is not a friend of Europe. Thus it doesn't consern him.

    Which will tend to set up such degrees of inferiority/superiority etc.,
    Isn't this part of human nature?
    I'm sure that the Pan-European concept requires a higher level of consciousness and knowledge.

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    Post Re: Pan-Europeanism - Our Fundamental Concept

    PE seems to have a clear problem; it wants to have an 'open' Europeanism, and yet at the same time set boundaries.
    Hence it is reluctant to be specific about the boundaries while waxing lyrical about the openness.

    This is why the first post in this thread says much on what PE is NOT, and very little on what it IS.

    To take the topical example of European Muslims; does PE then want to say that all Muslims and the Muslim Faith itself are to be banned from Europe?

    A simple question that PE shouldn't try to fudge.

    ps. as for Ireland - I know from experience that the hatred there is on the ground, and not just the invention of some imaginary Imperial Master.
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