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    Scania: Swedish, Danish or Neither?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freja_se View Post

    The study showed that people from Northern and Southern Sweden are genetically different from each other. However, the genetic change from south to north is gradual, and no strong genetic borders exist within Sweden. The study, performed jointly at Karolinska Institutet and University of Helsinki, has been published in PLoS ONE.
    So what are exactly the differences between the North and South Swedes (differences you can see with your eyes)? Are the South Swedes more germanic and nordic than the North Swedes?

    And where does the North of Sweden begin? Stockhom is - considering only the really populated areas - already in the North. I could not detect any differences between the Swedes in Skane and Stockholm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hildebrandt View Post
    So what are exactly the differences between the North and South Swedes (differences you can see with your eyes)? Are the South Swedes more germanic and nordic than the North Swedes?
    Yes, on average.


    One has to remember that Sweden is geographically a very big country and very sparsely populated in the North. If you turn it upside down the tip will reach Naples, Italy, so that is the kind of distances we have.

    Most people don't live in the North, Norrland, which is very vast and very scarcely populated.

    85% of Swedes live on LESS than 1.5 % of the geographic space of Sweden!




    The study says:


    "In contrast, the northern part of Sweden, Norrland, exhibited pronounced genetic differences both within the area and relative to the rest of the country. These distinctive genetic features of Norrland probably result mainly from isolation by distance and genetic drift caused by low population density."



    Quote Originally Posted by Hildebrandt View Post
    And where does the North of Sweden begin? Stockhom is - considering only the really populated areas - already in the North. I could not detect any differences between the Swedes in Skane and Stockholm.

    No, Stockholm is not in the North, it is on the south-central east coast. When discussing the North the study refers to "Norrland", one of the three major geographic areas here, Götaland, Svealand and Norrland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freja_se View Post
    No, Stockholm is not in the North, it is on the south-central east coast. When discussing the North the study refers to "Norrland", one of the three major geographic areas here, Götaland, Svealand and Norrland.
    I would - for cultural statistic issues - add Skåne as a fourth, despite geographically less vast a landmass, considering historical, linguistic and to some extent cultural points; it would be erroneous to lump the Scanians with the Goths, much as it is done these days.

    As per the pre-1658 arrangement (map actually reflects the pre-1648 arrangement):

    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    No, Skåne is never considered separate from Götaland. Skåne is in Southern Götaland.

    Of course there are quite a few separatists in Skåne who prefer to refer to it as Skåneland, which is a bigger area, though.

    Wikipedia:

    "Skåneland (Swedish) or Skånelandene (Danish) are terms used in historical contexts in Scandinavia to describe the area on the southern and south-western part of the Scandinavian peninsula, which under the Treaty of Roskilde (1658) was transferred from Denmark to Sweden"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freja_se View Post
    No, Skåne is never considered separate from Götaland. Skåne is in Southern Götaland.
    Geographically, as it is today. Götaland is still the southern part of Sweden, and since many of us Scanians still feel more kinship with the Danes than the Swedes, it's quite natural for us not to see ourselves as a part of Götaland to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freja_se View Post
    No, Skåne is never considered separate from Götaland. Skåne is in Southern Götaland.
    I wouldn't call it any more separatist than I would call a Fraconian insisting that despite living in the state of Bavaria, he was not a Bavarian, a separatist. I do think certain intra-ethnic and historical realities have to be reflected in administrative terms as well, everything else is a bit Jacobin.

    Skåne alone (not even counting all "Skåneland") has a population roughly of the same dimensions as Norrland, and they do have Sweden's third largest city (about which I sometimes say "Malmö stan has turned into Malmöstan, granted ), which could well function as administrative regional capital.

    It's not like they're completely country bumpkins who're too dumb to speak the language properly. That's propaganda straight out of Stockholm and Göteborg.

    (Granted, they don't have any mountains - but neither do the Danish, their close brethren. )
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
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    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Skåne is a pretty interesting case, since they're the Swedes with the strongest regional identity. I don't think it's a coincidence that most Swedish nationalism comes from Skåne, since they were always outside the "Swedish mainstream". And I'm not saying it like it's a bad thing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    It's not like they're completely country bumpkins who're too dumb to speak the language properly. That's propaganda straight out of Stockholm and Göteborg.
    This reminds me of those Scanian TV programs, which they broadcast with Swedish subtitles in the rest of Sweden...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svea View Post
    Geographically, as it is today. Götaland is still the southern part of Sweden, and since many of us Scanians still feel more kinship with the Danes than the Swedes, it's quite natural for us not to see ourselves as a part of Götaland to this day.
    Kinship is one thing, but it doesn't change the fact that geographically Skåne is considered part of Götaland now, regardless what one's personal feelings about what happened may be.

    In retrospect, it today perhaps looks like a better proposition for skåningar to be a part of Denmark, especially since they seem to be less extreme than Swedes when it comes to mass immigration.


    There are many in Skåne who don't consider themselves Swedes and don't feel love for Sweden and its flag in the same way they feel love for Skåne and its flag.

    There are also many in Stockholm who don't consider skåningar as fully Swedes and like to mock skåningar, so there are a lot of pain and emotions involved.



    Today, there are many who don't consider themselves either Danes or Swedes in Skåne. Implying that skåningar simply want to be Danes again is incorrect.

    Many today would prefer some kind of independency in a region such as Skåneland, mainly to get away from the sometimes oppressive and excessive Stockholm dominance that many in Skåne intensely dislike.

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    As a Skåning, I definitely feel more Swedish than Danish, and most people at home feel the same as me. We have more regional patriotism than other Swedish areas, that's true, but that doesn't make us "Danish".

    Quote Originally Posted by Freja_se View Post
    Today, there are many who don't consider themselves either as Danes or as Swedes in Skåne. Implying that Skåningar simply want to be Danes again is incorrect.
    Sigurd's logic is rather bizarre. He seems to think that Austria is a natural part of Germany, while Skåne is not a part of Sweden and should split off completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odalman View Post
    Sigurd's logic is rather bizarre. He seems to think that Austria is a natural part of Germany, while Skåne is not a part of Sweden and should split off completely.
    And I also think it is important to identify the issue one discusses so one avoids misunderstandings.

    The official geographical areas of Sweden is one thing, and wishful thinking and personal opinions on where they ought to be is another. I dealt with the former and people started talking about the latter. Oh, well..

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