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    Post Is Germany Alpine?

    Take a look at CI and FI distribution maps:

    http://www4.stormfront.org/whitehistory/mapspart2.htm

    It seems that only about 15% of Germany is dolicho-mesocephalic, another 25% is sub-brachycephalic (81-83), and the rest is brachycephalic (in the Southern half).

    Also, only one third of Germany is in the zone of FIs 86-89.

    What Nordish sub-type has FI less than 86? It's Borreby, but they are not common in Central and Souther Germany.

    It seems that Guenther's "Nordische" stands not for "predominatly Nordic" but for "Nordish".

    So according to his estimation Gemany is on 50-55% Nordish.

    What do you think?

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    I think parts of Germany is definitely Alpine. I don't think any anthropologist would doubt that. Nordic supremacist might deny it.

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    The North is definitely predominantly Nordish, but the south is questionable. But then nobody ever said the south is Nordic.

    Here is what racial compact has to say about Germany:

    Germany = 25% Borreby (most common in the Rhine and Ruhr valleys and the north), 20% Fälish (most common in the north), 15% Alpine (most common in Baden and Bavaria), 15% Noric, 6% Keltic Nordic (most common in the old Frankish country in the southwest), 5% Anglo-Saxon (most common in the northwest), 5% East Baltic, 5% Dinaric, 4% Hallstatt Nordic = 80% Nordish (60% central and 20% periphery types)

    Nordish.com says pretty much the same thing.

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    Good, so for areas with low FI we exclude "Borreby" and "Faellish" and "Anglo-Saxon" types, because of geography, and Nordics, Norics and Dinarics (because their FIs are high). It leaves only Alpines (and Sub-Nordics?).

    So perhaps Guenther was too optimistic with his 50-55%.

    And 20% for Norics and Dinarics are questionable. Where is the line? As a rule, Noric must be blond. I doubt that half of Southern Germany is blond and long faced (they are short faced).

    15% for Alpines? Who are those with FIs 83-86 and CIs 81-85+ (80% of Germany)? Some are Faellish/Borreby, but surely not majority...

    As I recall, Coon in TRoE was very prudent...

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    Southern Germany does not have such homogenous types on average although there are pockets of relatively homogenous subtypes still surviving. You have to remember the the south is the borderline between nordic and the southern races, so you should expect more sub-nordics.

    But Falian, Borreby, Anglosaxon and even Hallstatt are present and still concentrated in certain regions in southern Germany.

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    But what about the FI's? Faulty data perhaps? All the Germans I've ever known have in general had long faces.......

    Maybe you should learn some geography before you make such allegations about Germany..........:Bouncing

    Of course, had Germany been alpine they would never have produced such great men as Gutenberg, The Grimm brothers, Nietzsche, Georg Simon Ohm , Benz, Bismarck, Charlemagne, Mozart, Gabriel Daniel Fahrenheit, Nobel Prize winner Robert Koch, Ernst Mach, Rommel, Ludwig Mies van der Rohe, Nobel Prize winner Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen, Goethe, Wagner, Beethoven or Bach, now would they?

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    Originally posted by NordicPower88
    But what about the FI's? Faulty data perhaps? All the Germans I've ever known have in general had long faces.......
    You cant have known that many then.
    Of course, had Germany been alpine they would never have produced such great men as Gutenberg, The Grimm brothers, Nietzsche, Georg Simon Ohm , Benz, Bismarck, Charlemagne, Mozart, Gabriel Daniel Fahrenheit, Nobel Prize winner Robert Koch, Ernst Mach, Rommel, Ludwig Mies van der Rohe, Nobel Prize winner Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen, Goethe, Wagner, Beethoven or Bach, now would they?
    Yea But some of these people were Alpineseyes:

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    Originally posted by HELLSTAR
    You cant have known that many then.

    Yea But some of these people were Alpineseyes:
    Yeah, of course! Famous, intelligent and creative people always are....... eyes:

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    Post Re: Is Germany Alpine?

    Germany is no such alpine as France. If brown brachicephals are to be found in Germany, they are very diluted with nordics, borrebies, norids, and faelids, and in any case, are much taller than the French brown brachicephals. In France, on the countrary, some regions can be considered as purely alpinids, such as "Auvergne" and the "Midi Pyrenees" (south-center and center west). In other regions, peripheric to the former ones, alpinids are somewhat fairair in complexion and taller, such as in Britanny, Burgondy, Savoie and Lorraine. There we can speak about a "reduced borreby type". For leaving among them, (and for sharing a part of my ancestry), I would say, that we can, like for nordish people, divide the alpins into two branches :

    - a "central alpine type" (Auvergne, Midi Pyrennées, northern toscany, and the west of the Po valley in Italy, some parts of Albania, eastern Hungary and techecoslovakia) : which has a brown complexion (but no jet black hairs), brown to green eyes, is very brachicephalic, with a wide face, large and straight nose, short size (but still taller than western mediterraneans), stocky but not robust at all ;
    - a "peripheric alpinid type" or "reduced borreby" (Britanny, Burgondy, Franche Comté, the Donau valley from Wurtemberg to slovakia, western hungary) which is light brown or dark blond with hazel to grey eyes, large face, often concave nose, a bit taller, but still much smaller than borrebies, and far less robust.

    My impression is that, "central alpinids" are a mixed between mediterraneans and "reduced borrebies", who themselves owe their reduction (when compared to real borrebies) partly to mediterranean admixture.

    It is my view, to be debated, that there is a north east / south west continuity between Germany and Spain, where more or less pure borrebies can be found, northern and eastern France and Belgium, where you find the so called "reduced borrebies", south of France where you find the typical "central alpines", northern half of spain, where you find the so called "berids" (stocky western mediterraneans) and southern spain and Portugal, where you find the typical western mediterraneans.
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    Post Re: Is Germany Alpine?

    Yes, but "Central Alpines" do occur in some parts of your "Peripheric Alpine" areas, namely in the inner Black Forest, central Bavaria and Bohemia, among the "Peripheric Alpines". I don't agree that Peripheric Alpines are reduced Borrebies. There is a so-called Walloon Type that occurs in Belgium among Walloons, and some neighboring parts of northern France, west-Central Germany and the southern Netherlands. It is mainly a mix of Borreby and Alpine, in many areas mixed with varying degrees of Keltic Nordic and perhaps other elements. The taller blond and partially blond Alpines of southern Germany, northern and central Switzerland, northern and eastern France, and parts of Saxony and Czechia are Sub-Nordics (Alpine + Hallstatt Nordic and/or Keltic Nordic). they are frequently also mixed with Dinarics. In some, but not most, of these areas a slight Borreby influence is also present. In Bohemia, slight Neo-Danubian and Pontid elements are present as well.

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