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    Quote Originally Posted by Odalman
    It wasn't an unified nation, but Spain definitely existed. The kingdoms of Aragon and Castile were, in every sense of the word, Spanish.
    But they were not "one", and they, as all christian kingdoms, fought also against each other for power and influence. Castile and Aragon were not the only kingdoms there either, just the biggest two.

    Their unification is the event that created Spain as one political entity, btw against Portugal who established an own political entity (=state).

    Dont see what's "pseudoscientific" about that to see that a state comprised of several former kingdoms is politically and power-wise something else than those former kingdoms. It's a great difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Odalman
    According to your logic, Germany didn't exist before the unification in 1871. The nation of Germany must have appeared out of thin air, and you can't claim the Holy Roman Empire and Teutonic Knights as "German history". You see how ridiculous this sounds?
    The state of Germany did not exist prior to that unification. That doesnt take anything away from the German history before. But it simply was not one political entity before that. And there was no such thing as unity among them either (not rarely caused by inner-christian squabble about the wrong denomination, btw).

    The kingdoms of Gothland and Svea, despite that they became the state Sweden, and continued Swedish history, were still not the "same" as the state of Sweden as one, unified political entity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Odalman
    Nope, they were certainly not assimilated. Even those who had converted to Christianity were killed or driven out of Spain:
    Yes, and the Jews have been kicked out several times from Spain, still their racial impact also cannot be denied, as well as those of converted Muslims.

    You also shouldnt ignore the 750 years where all groups lived side by side and did mix.

    Quote Originally Posted by Odalman
    Portugal was much less "racist" than Spain, and they've been much more damaged by race-mixing. They basically absorbed their entire African slave population into their own gene pool, and Portugal already had a small population. Even today, they're much darker than anyone else in Europe, and some have as much as 10% negro blood.
    Yes, probably even more. The slave trade, in contrast to the prior to their state founding happened mixing with the Arab/Moor populations, occured after the founding of the state though, post 1490s years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Odalman
    I see you've been reading Arthur Kemp, a hack who has been repeatedly debunked (including on this forum). Race-mixing is only one of several factors that can make a nation stagnate, it's not the "be-all end-all" of everything. It's more likely that the Spaniards/Portuguese were just the first empire-builders, and the English/Dutch eventually caught up and surpassed them.
    I just quoted a bit from wiki, dont know who that is.

    Sure, race mixing isnt the only factor, but it is a big factor, one that is connected with cultural conflicts that slow down inner-state development because people waste energy with neighbor squabbels. A people that doesnt share culture also isnt unified, will therefore not easily work together for one goal or constantly discuss how things be done etc.

    They certainly werent the first empire builders, they were just the first who expanded their empire around the world, to their detriment btw. Britain and Netherland didnt make that error to import their colonials though, France, Portugal and Spain did; Britain killed her empire herself only with WWII, while the others declined already while they were still building it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Odalman
    No, you're wrong again. Spain has, since the Franco dictatorship ended, been among the least religious countries in Europe.
    Might be, dont really know. But seeing the world youth day there where religious fanatics planned to bomb a counterdemonstration against the waste of money for the pope visit there (costed millions in security), there might be different groups of people. The youth day there, btw, had the most visitors in recent years too.


    Quote Originally Posted by Odalman
    Sadly, your predictions seem to be correct. It seems like our nations are intent on losing to the Muslim invaders.
    Yes


    Quote Originally Posted by Renwein
    I don't see it as relevant that it wasn't 'one political entity', it's about arabian culture invading and being imposed on iberian people & culture, with them eventually banding together to drive it out, which had the positive effect of unifying them too as you say
    Again, it was a process that took 750 years, and there's another problem today that the people back then didnt have. They had a strong culture and no cultural marxists who deliberately destroyed their cultures by that time already for 150+ years. We have this problem. Our people today dont even know what they should fight for anymore.


    Quote Originally Posted by Renwein
    'germanic' countries and other european beside countries aren't 'one political entity' yet either (attempts of the bastard EU aside, and also not all are members e.g. Norway), but we all have this problem today, and again, I think we will be working together or dying together in the end as well, forming a kind of lasting 'solidarity' in the end again (a proper one, not the BS one like the EU is trying to make).
    Sure, we are not one huge political entity, but Germany f.e. now is one, while it was before divided into countless kingdoms, duchies and whatnot, who were busy fighting each other.

    And the Germanic countries also fought each other instead of common foes from outside Europe, the last time in WWII, which is only ~65 years ago.

    We need a different political leadership NOW if we are to succeed against this inner corrosion, and to develop anything like a solidarity among our different countries against the threats from outside. This wont come about over night and it wont be easy either, considering our millenia old infighting.


    Quote Originally Posted by Renwein
    also, modern technology means it wouldn't need to take 750 years
    Modern technology works in both directions, but the most important is the political WILL to do anything about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Renwein
    'international law' is just a facade 'the west' ('our' political & business elites) uses to get what it wants (oil etc) via 'humanitarian intervention' and similar 'devices' of 'international law'. In the case of 'civil war' in the west, it's not like indonesia & co are going to bound together to impose sanctions and set up a no fly zone...
    I agree. That doesnt change anything about the damage it already caused in our countries though.

    And it's not Indonesia that I'm worried about, but the USA, who will continue their wars to secure the "free trade", and Israel, who are pointing nuclear missiles on European capitals to secure their existence.

    I seriously dont see a political shift succeeding in Europe as long as at least the US isnt on the same plane, or at least doesnt intervene in our "human rights violations" when we kick out the foreigners. Israel remains a factor of risk no matter what. In the USA live more Jews than in Israel, btw, and they do have the political power over the US, so this is not, like it was in all the centuries before, only an inner European problem that we can solve as we see fit. The world has changed, to ignore this or try wiping it off the table because we dont like that change will not change that it will cause us big problems while solving these problems.
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    As bad as the situation is, I can definitely envision a simple solution to the problem of these muslim communities in the future when nationalism has risen again. Since they have already willingly sequestered themselves in convenient "no-go" zones it will not be that hard (or even that controversial) for a more nationalist government to build checkpoints and maybe even walls surrounding these areas. If the governments promises the muslims that they will keep all non-muslims out of the area they will probably agree to it. After that the next step will be to require all muslims to relocate to the muslim ghettos. Then there can be laws requiring muslims to acquire permits to travel outside of the ghetto. After that it shouldn't be too hard to deny them the right to leave the ghetto at all (unless it is to move back to their countries of origin). Sooner or later, when the nationalists have acquired enough power in government, they can order the muslim ghettos to be abolished and the inhabitants to be deported.

    It is basically exactly what happened with the Jews from the middle ages onward. Honestly, have these people read any history? They are setting themselves up for generations of misery all based on the faulty assumption that the historically-uncommon tolerance that modern western people have today will last forever. Their children and grandchildren are going to learn a very unpleasant lesson about what happens to those who ignore the teachings of history. I would probably feel sorry for them if I didn't hate them and their perverse religion so much

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    Well, of course Muslims will be segregated into ghettos. This this will be made easier through enhanced surveillance technology. You won't need an army of police, but rather a few highly trained intelligence agents combined with elite swat teams. But this doesn't mean that they will be deported - more likely scenario will be similar to what's happened to the black population in America.

    Meanwhile, as long as Europeans aren't having children, immigration will continue - though from areas other than the Mideast(probably East Asia).

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