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    Difference Between WASPS and Englishmen...?

    Hello All
    A question has been bothering me for quite some time, i hope people here will clear it...
    When people talk about the WASP in America, they usually think of blonde,
    chiselled nordics while the Englishmen in England are usually portrayed as dark
    haired in majority..
    So this means that only the Anglo Saxons migrated in as Puritans and other
    Pilgrims while the Atlanto Meds and Bruenns stayed behind?
    All figures in majority and minority, and not in absolute......

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    When most people think of WASPs they are thinking of the upperclass, country club, elite college Whites of Northwestern European descent. It can include assimilated Dutch & Huguenots not to mention Scots & Scots-Irish. Most Anglo-Americans do not think of themselves as WASP because of the social/economic factor. Though I supposed in some parts of the US, like Guidoland (aka New Jersey) I guess a lot of White ethnics might think of everyone (White) who's ancestors did not come through Ellis Island. Cromagnid types are common among Anglo-Americans, not all of us look like George H.W. Bush.

    Thee has been a lot of population changes in England since the 17th century, the Industrial Revolution increased the proportion of Medish types in England with migration from the Celtic fringe. So you could say the Pilgrims, Cavaliers & Quakers emigrated from an England that was blonder & more Germanic then 21st century England, even discounting the Negroes & Asians.

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    But what if we compare 17th Century England with the Pilgrims, Quakers etc?
    What i meant by this question was that did the Religious differences from the Anglican Church was dominant in a particular group of people (ie. in this case the Nordics) or was it uniform?

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    The Puritans & Pilgrims came mainly from East Anglia & the counties in the Thames Basin. Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex, Bedford, Cambridge, Kent, Hertfordshire. Fishermen from the south & southwest of England - Dorset, Devon, Hampshire Gloucestershire & Somerset - also set up fishing communities in New England. Just look at the names of communities in New England to see where the settlers came from. Only 30-40 thousand arrived during the Greeat Migration (1627-1640) but high birthrates & low infant mortality caused them to become the ancestors of a significant portion of the Euro-American population in the current US. It is more about where they came from in England then what their religion was. But they did leave before the Industrial Revolution.

    The Delaware Valley received settlers mainly from the West Midland counties with a significant number of Welsh & German settlers. The South had large numbers of Cavaliers from the West Country & Irish servants. I would guess New England had the most Germanic-Nordish settlers in the colonial era.

    The WASP image is primarily indentifies with the Northeast of the US & as I stated it is usually associated with a particular social & economic class. The Northeast also has the most White Ethnics (Catholics & Jews from Ireland & the Medish & Slavic nations), many of the original Anglo-Germanic families moving to the Midwest & West during the 19th & 20th centurues. The Anglo-Americans that remain in the Boston-Philadelphia corridor tend to be wealthier & of higher social standing then the White ethnics until after WWII-1960s. So the WASP image is based on the elite of the Anglo-American segment, families descended from New England Puritans, Dutch Knickerbockers & properous Quaker families. I think wealthy people (excluding Jews) tend to look more Nordic looking then the general population. Make a comparison to the Germanic population to a small town in the Midwest or South, with Anglo-Germanic covering all segments of the social & economic scale, and you will find Cromagnid & North Atlantid types well represented.

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    WASP:



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    From the American perspective;





    ^ English (Aristocratic)




    ^English (Working Class)
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    True, Williams looks very Irish to me though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliite View Post
    True, Williams looks very Irish to me though.
    That is what I meant by population changes occurring because of the Industrial Revolution. It causes certain types to become much more common in England then they had been before.

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    Some more examples;



    ^ English (Aristocratic looking)




    ^ American WASPS. Actually they are what a lot of Americans would describe as "Preppies". Even though their last name (Winklevoss) sounds German or Dutch, they are an example of the assimilation factor of other Northwestern European ethnicities into the WASP segment.





    ^ English (Working Class)





    ^ Larry Bird. Even though he is tall & blond no one would ever mistake him for a WASP or a preppy. You can tell from looking at him he comes from a bluecollar (working class) background.
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    One of the Gallaghers, looks working class to me (actually is of Irish descent this time though)
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