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    Reflections on the Warrior Archetype

    Recently I was sitting idly and a little ant was walking on my book.

    I watched it. It was a scout in service of his tribe, queen / mother. It was alone, whatever obstacle he encountered he worked with it without hesitation. As soon as the ant realized I was watching it went into hiding, in order to not compromise it's mission. Then it figured there was no threat and it came out to continue on it's mission. Though his shape was miniscule his heart was bigger than mine, it had more courageous, was more clear in it's actions, guarded his mission better than I do, was more alert of what was going on in its environment.

    When I would kill it up to it's last moment it would fight and try to harm me, biting or whatever, so with his last breath he would be loyal to his tribe.

    The warrior spirit of this little ant was impeccable.

    There was no fear of death, it did not matter whether it dies in a few moments, in an hour, in a day or in a week. What counted for this little ant-warrior was, that he kept his warrior spirit impeccable and thus meet death.

    I thought that after death his spirit might return to his tribes queen and after scrutiny of his warrior spirit would furnish him a new body, so that he could be again be in service of his tribe.


    what I learned from this little encounter is, to be a warrior does not mean to have strong muscles it means to have an impeccable spirit.

    Attributes of a warrior are fearlessness/courage, alertness, determination, clear thinking, guarding one's mission, loyalty to ones king/group and willingness to sacrifice oneself.

    What it also contains are the overcoming of all inner obstacles like the 7 'sins':

    Wrath
    greed
    lust
    sloth
    pride
    envy
    gluttony
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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    It might also be that on the end of my path, the one-eyed one is waiting. With his piercing one eye he will look whether he finds weaknesses, dishonorable things, anything foul. and when I pass his scrutiny he will bring me to Asgard that the Gods hold council whether I am worthy to be one of them or send me back to Midgard.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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    Ehrgeiz has a somewhat sinful translation but leads to the most noble of Warrior spirit. The acknowledgment of qualities like loyalty and courage do not mutually exclude qualities related to self preservation, like your 7 sins.
    Life is a well of delight; but where the rabble also drink, there all fountains are poisoned.

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    I think a warrior is of service, somebody with Ehrgeiz has his own agenda.

    It wouldn't fit my understanding of warrior.

    If you understand Ehrgeiz as jumping to action we are on the same page.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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    Etymologically ehrgeiz means a greed for honor, I do not see how this could be a bad thing.
    Life is a well of delight; but where the rabble also drink, there all fountains are poisoned.

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    To have honor is an inner value, to do something out of greed is something of dishonor. Ehrgeiz is the greed for a high reputation. That is in the eye of others. Honor is an inner value which you follow, regardless what other people think

    If you have honor you do what is honorful because you cannot do differently.

    In the Edda the hero Starkadr was brought into trouble: 3 times he had to do things which the people would look at as dishonorful (not being loyal to one's king) but Odin told him to do. His service to Odin was of greater value than his own reputation.

    ehrgeiz would have prevented his service.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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    An activist for a better future for our folk and its defence is always a warrior, in whatever way. One doesn't need to be a soldier to be a true warrior, in fact you would find that some soldiers can be just worthless mercenaries who lack the qualities of a warrior.

    That being said - we must all seek to be a warrior in a way, in that we are the best we can be, and seek to defend those around us, from our respective abilities, in that we adhere to an 'aristocratic principle': I.e. always stride for the better, the more honourable, etc. pp.

    That applies to warriors of the body as much as to warriors of the mind, both of them are warriors of the spirit. It doesn't so much extend to mere 'keyboard warriors' but even they have a chance of redemption and become true warriors in either a literal or an archetypical way.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    To have honor is an inner value, to do something out of greed is something of dishonor. Ehrgeiz is the greed for a high reputation. That is in the eye of others. Honor is an inner value which you follow, regardless what other people think

    If you have honor you do what is honorful because you cannot do differently.

    In the Edda the hero Starkadr was brought into trouble: 3 times he had to do things which the people would look at as dishonorful (not being loyal to one's king) but Odin told him to do. His service to Odin was of greater value than his own reputation.

    ehrgeiz would have prevented his service.
    Ehrgeiz is not greed for a high reputation, you just assumed this for some reason while ignoring the literal translation of the word.

    Men are not born with honor, they earn it through trials. A man who desires honor over all other things; wealth, fame, love, ie. one who is "greedy for honor", will not only act when the situation calls, but act to greater caliber than other men, as he is driven by his single desire.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    An activist for a better future for our folk and its defence is always a warrior, in whatever way. One doesn't need to be a soldier to be a true warrior, in fact you would find that some soldiers can be just worthless mercenaries who lack the qualities of a warrior.

    That being said - we must all seek to be a warrior in a way, in that we are the best we can be, and seek to defend those around us, from our respective abilities, in that we adhere to an 'aristocratic principle': I.e. always stride for the better, the more honourable, etc. pp.

    That applies to warriors of the body as much as to warriors of the mind, both of them are warriors of the spirit. It doesn't so much extend to mere 'keyboard warriors' but even they have a chance of redemption and become true warriors in either a literal or an archetypical way.
    From a technical perspective, a soldier epitomizes a true warrior.

    Your definition of warrior is to vague, You seem to equate and misconstrue being honorable with being a warrior which is incorrect. The example you gave of the "worthless mercenary" may or may not be honorable but he possesses the spirit of the warrior through his very vocation.

    I do not even know what a "warrior of the body" is, since all desire comes from the mind.
    Life is a well of delight; but where the rabble also drink, there all fountains are poisoned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erlkönig View Post

    From a technical perspective, a soldier epitomizes a true warrior.
    You are wrong. A soldier is not automatically warrior and a warrior not a soldier. Studying classics we looked at this in some depth. The ideal warrior is very different from the ideal soldier as their actions and motivations as well as modes of combat vary. A warrior is more of an individual and has a personal sense of honour.

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    Ocko's definition of honor is similiar to what I'd been taught it meant to have a sense of duty. A feeling you can't fight. A drive to do the right thing for the right reasons. I don't disagree entirely with Ocko's definition, though. You'll never do anything honorable without a sense of duty to drive you to act for the right reasons.
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