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    Classify Siblings

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    The answer is more interesting than the question. Like most of my anthro topicss, there's a catch. So perhaps a better question is what do you think their ancestry is?

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    Ok, well, they're both (approximately) 1/8th Sub-Saharan. Their mother is the quadroon Carly Simon:



    The Negroid in Carly is very obvious, although she's severely depigmented. In her children, not so much. The daughter has some traits that fit with her ancestry. I don't see anything in the son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    Ok, well, they're both (approximately) 1/8th Sub-Saharan. Their mother is the quadroon Carly Simon:

    The Negroid in Carly is very obvious, although she's severely depigmented. In her children, not so much. The daughter has some traits that fit with her ancestry. I don't see anything in the son.
    They're probably slightly less than 1/4 and 1/8th. Their black ancestor was probably mixed to begin with.

    I was surprised to learn their actual ancestry, but I knew there was something strange about the daughter from the very beginning. She actually looks slightly East-European in the first pic. Black/White mixes are sometimes known to cause a pseudo-East Baltid/Ladogan look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    Ok, well, they're both (approximately) 1/8th Sub-Saharan. Their mother is the quadroon Carly Simon.

    The Negroid in Carly is very obvious, although she's severely depigmented. In her children, not so much. The daughter has some traits that fit with her ancestry. I don't see anything in the son.
    That's because James Taylor, the "son", was actually Simon's husband and father of their above pictured daughter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    That's because James Taylor, the "son", was actually Simon's husband and father of their above pictured daughter.
    Ah, yes. I see where I went wrong. I looked up the pictures a few weeks after I did the research. Looking at her real son, Ben Taylor, I realise he was the one I originally saw. Anyway, this is he:











    I still don't see the Negroid. He does look a little like his mother in profile, but not enough to stand out as being admixed, like her.

    I agree with Norbert. The daughter looks East Baltid. I don't see the Negroid, though, even though she looks strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    I still don't see the Negroid. He does look a little like his mother in profile, but not enough to stand out as being admixed, like her
    The Negroid is very subtle (teeth, nostrils), but you can somewhat see it overall in the second photograph if you squint.




    His jawbone resembles that of his mother, but I think that's something she inherited from her Europid side.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Norbert View Post
    The Negroid is very subtle (teeth, nostrils), but you can somewhat see it overall in the second photograph if you squint.
    Yeah, in the case of most mixed individuals that have 'passed' (e.g. Geert Wilder) a few pictures give the game away. But, really, would anyone, even a seasoned phys. anthropologist look at that guy and think, "He seems to be part African." You can convince yourself when you actually know what you're looking for, but I doubt anyone would have really guessed left to their own devices.

    His jawbone resembles that of his mother, but I think that's something she inherited from her Europid side.
    Are you sure? Her prognathism is her most Negroid trait. It's quite shocking, in fact. That said, in a similar case, that of Jade Goody, the unusual, apparently 'Negroid' traits were inherited largely from the Europid mother, and not the mixed father.

    Strangely, it's true again. Her mixed mother isn't prognathous. Could it have skipped a generation, or is it known her Europid father had these traits? Her mother:



    I have to admit, this has become a bit of a puzzle. The mother is mixed, but shows no discernible Negroid traits (at least at that age), meaning she's probably -- but by no means definitely -- less than a quarter herself. Carly Simon's very Negroid traits don't even come from her Negroid side. Hmm, I'll have to ponder on that one a little. I'll try to find more pictures and find an exact quantification of her SSA heritage (most sites seem just to mention the heritage, but not the proportion).

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    Carly Simon looks to be a Alpinoid/Cro Magnoid(Borreby orientation) + Armenoid influences she does have some Sudanid tendencies most notably in the jaw and lip areas it makes her look odd and exotic quite unprogressive in that region despite being an overall attractive individual.
    Her daughter looks to be a Borreby predominantly I thought she could pass as English, German, or Dutch.
    Her son looks to be a Faelid + North Atlantid admixture that said he shows the same prognathy of his mother but it would not be noticable to the average individual.
    Also the mother looks be somewhere between a quadroon probably leaning more towards Mulatto so I would guess she is roughly 37-40% SSA but her phenotype is Borreby + Sudanid influences she looks like a German or French mix + SSA could pass as a Creole in the South.
    Also in terms on heritability of phenotypes it is possible that Carly Simon inherited her prognathy from her grandfather or grandmother whichever one had the SSA ancestry and her mother did not happen to have it but passed the Alleles down the carried the phenotype to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeistFaust View Post
    Carly Simon looks to be a Alpinoid/Cro Magnoid(Borreby orientation) + Armenoid influences she does have some Sudanid tendencies most notably in the jaw and lip areas it makes her look odd and exotic quite unprogressive in that region despite being an overall attractive individual.

    She is also part Jewish. Perhaps there is some of that too.
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