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    Herr von Braun

    The Rocket Scientist that worked for the US Government after his capture at the end of WW2. Herr von Braun might have been planted to work for NASA and act as an agent to keep Antarctika 211 updated as to any progress the yanks were making with Nazi rocket science

    Who knows? I am speculating of course! But! common sense in this regard would have made it a good move while his rocket science Kameraden were safely shipped out to 211 to continue their technological genius and remain five steps ahead of their enemies once Operation Highjump failed in early 1947.

    Herr von Braun may have even deliberately slowed things down at NASA while making them believe real progress was being made.

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    This still leaves me in awe...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU_QhSAfgU


    PS, if you have seen this, then check it out, i find it hard to believe...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjQqv2bgmwE

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    The Antarctica Base discussed on US Radio

    Adrian Salbuchi is interviewed from Argentina about this absolute mystery.

    Fascinating to listen to this and of course you can make of it what you wish.

    Adrian Salbuchi - World War II U-Boats & Byrd's Antarctic Mission
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    Von Braun worked on cruise missiles, not haunebus or the Bell.
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    Schopenhauer

    Wernher von Braun worked on the V-2 project but be aware that at the end of the war there is fair evidence that only slightly modified V-2s could fly 3,000 miles, which is ten times the range of the standard V-2.

    This was why the US Chief of the Military Staff alleged after the war that the US East Coast was almost within rocket range from Germany. If the invasion of France had been delayed by about six months, then the modified rocket could have hit New York from the French coast at the end of 1944.

    A fuel also being explosive, the modified V-2 would have had an effective weapon of mass destruction instead of the 1-tonne standard warhead.

    This exceptional increase in flight mileage must have been the result of experimentation using the Bell plasma physics weapons technology being applied to rocket fuels. It seems fairly certain that there was a laboratory to produce the fuel at Prüfstand XII, Peenemünde. No declassified aerial photographs of this site exist from early 1945 onwards, and even today it is off limits to visitors.

    Let me know if you would like to see some of the evidence freely available from publications of the time regarding the modified V-2.

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    @Ohrdruf: Am always interested in expanding my knowledge base!
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    THE MODIFIED V-2

    PART ONE - The Miracle Weapon

    To understand the modified V-2, it is necessary to have a brief outline in mind of what the Miracle Weapon was.

    (i) Using Bell technology, a substance was created in which the constitution of air was altered ("Heavy Air"), and trapped in a closed system.

    (ii) This substance was placed alongside a conventional explosive (the best being coal dust/liquid air). When it was desired to have the explosion, the substance was collapsed by radio signal freeing the Heavy Air which combined with the explosive.

    (iii) Because the explosion occurred in modified air, it was up to ten times more savage than the normal explosion. In tests reported by British agents at Starnberger See in late 1944, the sequence of effects of a mere 50 kg bomb were as follows:
    - blast and shock wave beyond 4 miles in all directions
    - artificial whirlwind of fire similar to a lightning storm at ground level burning up all the oxygen in the affected area.
    Thus a single 50 kg bomb had greater killing power than an atom bomb because it killed not only by blast and fire, but also by suffocation. And the substance could be cheaply mass-produced. (BIOS Final Report 142(g) HMSO).

    (iv) The whole purpose of Hitler's rocket programme was to deliver this kind of warhead. As tests at Ohrdruf proved in March 1945, it was impossible to predict the extent of the explosion, which varied depending on weather conditions. The question of whether in certain conditions the explosion could ever be stopped halted the use of the weaponry in 1945.

    (v) This technology has not been replicated despite 65 years of effort by US science. It came down to South America at the end of the war and is in Third-Reich-in-Exile custody.

    (vi) A fuel is an explosive. The basis for the enhanced V-2 rocket fuel was the Miracle Weapon technology.


    PART TWO - Wartime Developments

    (i) There was a close relationship between Wernher von Braun and the Reichpost Research Institute of Baron von Ardenne in Berlin. (In 1940, von Ardenne had isolated the potato bacillus interfering with the production of rocket fuel from potatoes).

    (ii) In October 1942, the Army Weapons Office awarded a contract to the Reichspost Research Institute "to develop an enhanced rocket fuel using the products of atomic decay."
    Copy of this contract in Geoffrey Brooks: Hitler's Nuclear Weapons, Pen & Sword Books, 1991, Appendix 1.

    (iii) On 20 October 1943, Dr Kammler sent a telegram to SS-Reichsführer Himmler advising him that agreement had been reached that day to set up an underground test site in the mountains at Traunstein, Bavaria, for the development of the Amerika-Rocket "with the ten-fold propulsive power" (10-fach Antriebsstärke).
    Kammler telegram, 20 October 1943 BA NS 10/Old 273
    Albert Speer: Infiltration - How Himmler schemed to build an SS industrial empire, p.354, MacMillan, 1981.
    Heinz Magenheimer: Die Militärstrategie Deutschlands, p.33-36, p.136, Herbig 1997.

    (iv) In the autumn of 1944, a chemist stationed at Peenemünde up to July 1944 defected to the Allies and handed them a closely detailed report (declassified in 1993) about Peenemünde. He stated that there were two kinds of V-2:
    - the A4 (18 metres x 2.5 to 3 metres diameter) in mass production
    - the A1 (23 metres x 4.5 metres diameter).
    It is suspected that the A-1 was the modified piloted V-2 which could fly 3000 miles with the enhanced fuel.

    (v) At a meeting of the US Combined Chiefs of Staff in Washington on 8 December 1944, a directive from President Roosevelt was discussed on "How to prepare the American Public for the V-3 Peril" - an intercontinental rocket attack on the United States.
    L/C Box 223, USAF microfilm reel 43811.
    (Roosevelt had received information from German traitors at the Turkish Embassy that the V-3 intercontinental rocket was close to deployment against the United States.)

    (vi) In December 1944, Reichsminister Speer informed the Armaments Council that "the V-3, which is being prepared to hit New York, is sufficiently advanced that the first test flight will be made before the end of this month".


    PART THREE - The Postwar Verdict: How Close They Came

    (i) Mercury-7 astronaut Gordon Cooper revealed in his book that at the war's end there was a "manned V-2" on the launch pad at Peenemünde, fully tanked and ready to hit New York." Other American sources state that the "Amerika-Rocket" was a "V-2 with a 3000-mile range."
    Gordon Cooper: Leap of Faith, Harper Collins publ.2000, p.154

    (ii) "The Germans were preparing rocket surprises for the whole world in general which would, it is believed, have changed the course of the war if the invasion had been postponed for so short a time as half a year."
    Colonel Don Leander Pitt, Chief of Air Technical Services Command, October 1944-August 1945, Deputy Commanding-General AAF: quoted in Harpers Magazine, October 1946, p.329.

    (iii) "In the course of two visits to Germany in 1945 which I undertook as head of the Ministry of Aircraft Production technical mission, I saw enough to convince me that if they had been able to stretch out the war a few months longer, we would have been confronted with a series of completely new and deadly developments in air warfare..."
    Sir Roy Fedder, Special Technical Adviser MAP, interview in Daily Telegraph, editions of 1, 2, 5 and 9 October 1945, German Plans to Revolutionize Air Warfare.

    (iv) Dr Osenberg, head of the Reich Research Council, told Allied interrogators after the war that Germany would have won it with her new weapons if she had been allowed another six months' time.
    Karl-Heinz Zunneck: Geheim-technologien 2, CTT 1999, p.36-37.

    (v) Chief of the US General Staff George C Marshall stated in his report to the Minister for War on 10 October 1945 that "at the end of the German War in Europe", the US had been "on the perimeter of the enemy field of fire."
    George C Marshall, Biennial Report of the Chief of Staff, US Army, 1 July 1943-30 June 1945, p.118, HMSO 1945.

    (vi) Foreign Economic Adviser Leo T Crowley, who placed 29 studies before the Senate Committee on postwar Germany, stated that "New York would have been reduced to rubble by improved V-2s had the war gone on another six months."
    Chicago Daily Tribune, New York Times, 27 June 1945, p.4.

    (vii) The US military estimated that a regular massive bombardment of the US East Coast by rockets fired from Germany would have begun in February 1946.
    Intelligence Bulletin, April 1946.

    (viii) SS-secret weapons specialist Otto Skorzeny stated in his book postwar that the Amerika Rocket "was practically ready at the end of March 1945 and would have been in series production from June 1945."
    Otto Skorzeny: Meine Kommando-Unternehmen, Universitas 1993, p.156.

    (ix) In the English Daily Mail of 14 June 1945, in an interview with US Major William Bromley, Assistant to the Head of Special Mission V-2 in Germany, Bromley stated that the mass production of "a V-2 with a range of 3000 miles" would have been begun within six months of VE-Day (8 May 1945)."

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    Die Rueckfahrt: An unnamed source (Heiner Gehring) got a peek into Wilhelm Ladig's files shortly before his death and of course Heiner's death. The Vril people were in medial contact with the Vril-Odin, according to this story, until 1946 when all communication ended.

    Ohrdruf: I am sure your sources are actually describing liquid fuel (rockets) in which powdered metal slurry was added, not some sort of radioactive material. After all, how would this be atomic material ignited and controlled in a chemical rocket engine? I think what you are getting at is a 1950's Der Spiegel article on V-2 rockets and von Braun. In that article it stated work was being done to increase the range of the existing V-2 using liquid ozone.

    The V-2 used alcohol and liquid oxygen. Liquid oxygen has two oxygen atoms per molecule. Ozone on the other hand has three oxygen atoms per molecule (simple ozone). This means 33% more oxidization per unit of weight. This, if possible, would have extended the V-2's range considerably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    The V-2 used alcohol and liquid oxygen. Liquid oxygen has two oxygen atoms per molecule. Ozone on the other hand has three oxygen atoms per molecule (simple ozone). This means 33% more oxidization per unit of weight. This, if possible, would have extended the V-2's range considerably.
    The amount of oxygen atoms in an unit of weight of oxygen does not depend on if you group them in molecules of 2 or molecules of 3.

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    "A large part of the available UFO literature is closely linked with mysticism and the metaphysical. It deals with subjects like mental telepathy, automatic writing and invisible entities as well as phenomenon like poltergeist manifestations and possession. Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press recount alleged incidents that are strikingly similar to demonic possession and psychic phenomenon that have long been known to theologians and parapsychologists."

    ~ Lynn E. Catoe, Senior Bibliographer for the Library of Congress in the preface for the book "UFO's and Related Subjects, An Annotated Bibliography"

    (A .pdf can be found here: http://www.governmentattic.org/13doc...Catoe_1969.pdf)

    I keep the occult aspect in mind whenever I think about UFOs. Many of the supposed communications by UFO aliens that I've read simply sound like a mash-up of various New Age doctrines.

    National-Socialists had access to some amazing technology that very well could've come from a non-human intelligence (from another world, another dimension, etc.)- I'm not enough of an expert on the subject to offer much more than a simplistic 'It's possible' given what I've learned about how the U.S. has had dealings with supposed aliens since the 1940s and how much of the scientific knowledge of German scientists was 'liberated' and brought to the U.S. after the war.

    There's a queer relationship between the occult and science in the U.S. to the extent that one of the founders of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory- Jack Parsons- was a notorious occultist who supposedly conjured spirits and whatnot.

    http://www.spacesafetymagazine.com/a...ult-roots-jpl/

    Creepy.
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