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    A Question About 'The Passing of the Great Race'

    In the book 'The Passing of the Great Race' by Madison Grant, Madison Grant states three European types, Nordic, Alpine, Med.

    He states that the Celts were Nordic people and that they are part of the Germanic people. He also states that modern day Celts (Irish, Scottish, Welsh) are Nordic.

    Here are some of his exact quotes:

    ''These earliest Nordics in the west were known to the ancient world as Gauls. These Gauls or Celts''.

    ''Anyone who has Celtic, Scandinavian, German, Anglo-Saxon, Polish, or Baltic ancestry is included in this Germanic race''



    HERE IS MY QUESTION:

    Madison Grant (the father of Nazi racial theory) says that Celts and modern day Irish are Germanic Nordic, then why does this forum say otherwise?

    It seems strange that you would disagree with Madison Grant, who is essentially the foundation for Racial theories, among National Socialist's such as myself.

    Madison Grant in this book considered Irish people to be a Germanic Nordic people. He was the foundation of all Nordic Germanic thought in NS Germany.

    Therefore on this forum there should be an Irish section when you sign up.

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    It doesn't really matter what Madison Grant thought about the genetics of race as they were in the ancient past. This forum deals with not only race but culture as well, in fact our culture and language gives us our identity as Germanics. While Celts may or may not be racially compatible, they are not necessarily culturally compatible. The same goes for Slavs. The Celtic, Slavic, and Romance Geist is different from ours. Their viewpoints are different. This forum is interested in exploring our culture, not theirs.

    Please refer to the mission statement listed under the rules:
    Skadi Forum supports the preservation of our Germanic heritage, the development of an all-Germanic consciousness, as well as the defense or reestablishment of the Germanic leitkultur in all Germanic states, communities, and places of settlement.
    Madison Grant does not run this forum, by the way, and while many here may agree with his opinions, others might not. We are not a forum dedicated to National Socialism, though many here might naturally be National Socialist in leaning, so your basic presumptions are incorrect.

    Since you are a newbie here, I urge you to read the rules of the forum. You might particularly pay attention to Rule 14, since this post comes dangerously close to its definition.

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    Racially I unable to distinguish between most Celts and Germanics, for example I am mostly unable to distinguish if someone is Irish or German by appearance

    The Celtic nations just like the Germanic ones are racially mostly made up of human physical types historically and culturally indigenous to northern Europe

    The first Celts were rather tall and fair, in their expansion they came in contact with swarthier types on their travels through southeastern Europe.

    Some Celts may still display that influence

    Once they arrived they also had influence from Germanic settlers from Northern Europe e.g. Saxons, Angles, Danes etc


    Even a place like Iceland has a significant Celtic influence

    Differences between Celts and Germanics should be regarded as mostly cultural and not racial.
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    Actually there were two types of Celts.The orginal Iron age Celts lived in Austria and Switzerland during Iron age or before and spread to other countries like Gaul and were racially similiar to Germanic peoples of the Germany and other Germanic countries,orginal Slavs,etc.Another type of Celts were the duplicate Celts who were living in Great Britain who adopted the Celtic culture,language but basically they were of the meditarranean stock.Present English are partly of meditarranean blood like the Irish,Welsh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Present English are partly of meditarranean blood like the Irish,Welsh.
    If that is the case then why don't the modern Irish and British bare a closer resemblance to the modern Spanish?

    The fact is that in any given country the population will almost always ensemble (both physically and genetically) the inhabitants of neighboring nations considerably more closely than they do the inhabitants of nations which are located geographically farther away.

    Therefore political differences aside the inhabitants of Ireland, Wales and Scotland are more closely related genetically to the English than to any other country except perhaps each other and the English are more closely related to the inhabitants of the Celtic countries than to anyone else, except in those regions of England (such as the south east coast) that are located geographically closer to the continent than they are to, for instance, Wales or Ireland.

    Here are two Genetic maps of Europe, you can take your pick as to which you like best;



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    Actually, Celtic is not even a culture. Until the 17th century what is now called Celtic was still very tribal, look at the Clans of the Scottish & Irish. The original English were pushed into present day Wales by the waves of Germanic invasions by Norse, Anglo-Saxon, and Norman(essentially Norse anyway). The present day English, even back to "the Celts" actually more resembled Germanic culture through religion, and political structure....like the Althing, and the smaller territorial Kings.this spread to the Irish and Welsh (Llewellyn) and Scottish.the current Queen even comes from German stock. Where is the split exactly is what I wonder....they even shared the same Gods...Wodin(English)/Wotan(German)/Odin(Norse)/ Lugh(Irish)/Llew(Welsh).....Balor=Baldur....etc. they all match up. So the premise that Celtic culture is what seperates the "Celtic" from Germanic I believe is flawed.

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    But many Welsh look almost like mediterraneans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horned God View Post
    If that is the case then why don't the modern Irish and British bare a closer resemblance to the modern Spanish?

    The fact is that in any given country the population will almost always ensemble (both physically and genetically) the inhabitants of neighboring nations considerably more closely than they do the inhabitants of nations which are located geographically farther away.

    Therefore political differences aside the inhabitants of Ireland, Wales and Scotland are more closely related genetically to the English than to any other country except perhaps each other and the English are more closely related to the inhabitants of the Celtic countries than to anyone else, except in those regions of England (such as the south east coast) that are located geographically closer to the continent than they are to, for instance, Wales or Ireland.
    But many welsh and some english in some parts resemble the meditteraneans genetically and in phenotype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    But many Welsh look almost like mediterraneans.
    I'd put that down mostly to random variation and to the south east coast of Englands proximity to the Blonder regions of Holland. I don't doubt that during the early middle ages England was invaded by tribes of Anglo Saxons (but just not in the overwhelming numbers that would be necessary to lead to a replacement of the indigenous population).

    In Scandinavia there are people who look Mediterranean, not so many but they are there. In Spain and Italy there are many people who look if not Northern European then at least central European. I seem to remember that the Romans described the inhabitants of Britain as mainly having dark hair but fair complexions.

    There was a theory popular in decades past that the Welsh and perhaps the Irish were descended from Neolithic Mediterraneans while the English were not and were instead descended from dark age Saxon and Norse invaders.

    However, genetic tests which have been carried out over the last 10 years or so indicate that there is a large amount of genetic continuity in Britain extending back even to the end of the last Ice age. So while it is likely that the English have somewhat more Saxon or Norse heritage than the Welsh have, both the English and Welsh share the greater part of their genetic heritage in common.
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    Aren't people conflating culture with (sub-)race??? and thats where the source of confusion is???

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