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    Quote Originally Posted by Wright B. Hindya View Post
    The Emerald Tablet of Hermes

    translation, by Isaac Newton, found among his alchemical papers as reported by B. J. Dobbs[4] in modern spelling:


    Tis true without lying, certain most true.
    That which is below is like that which is above that which is above is like that which is below to do the miracles of one only thing.
    And as all things have been arose from one by the mediation of one: so all things have their birth from this one thing by adaptation.
    The Sun is its father, the moon its mother,
    the wind hath carried it in its belly, the earth its nurse.
    The father of all perfection in the whole world is here.
    Its force or power is entire if it be converted into earth.
    Separate thou the earth from the fire, the subtle from the gross sweetly with great industry.
    It ascends from the earth to the heaven again it descends to the earth and receives the force of things superior and inferior.
    By this means ye shall have the glory of the whole world thereby all obscurity shall fly from you.
    Its force is above all force. for it vanquishes every subtle thing and penetrates every solid thing.
    So was the world created.
    From this are and do come admirable adaptations whereof the means (Or process) is here in this.
    Hence I am called Hermes Trismegist, having the three parts of the philosophy of the whole world.
    That which I have said of the operation of the Sun is accomplished and ended.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Tablet

    Freemasons and western mystics have a long association with Hermes

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    The Hermetic Tradition was one of several found in Occidental occultism.
    Omnia risus et omnis pulvis et omnia nihil - HPL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    The Hermetic Tradition was one of several found in Occidental occultism.
    How far would you say the Hermetic tradition is useful and how far is it corruption? I know a lot of destructive people have followed the path but it is a European occultism more or less and distinct from the Kabbalah but deals with the relationship between Gods/God and man. I have read the Hermetica and found it interesting. It seems a genuine link to old Indo European occultism of the Greeks and Egyptians and not a Semitic system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgard View Post
    How far would you say the Hermetic tradition is useful and how far is it corruption?
    If it works for you, then it's useful. If it doesn't, then simply find a new path.

    I know a lot of destructive people have followed the path but it is a European occultism more or less and distinct from the Kabbalah but deals with the relationship between Gods/God and man.
    What path, Hermeticism?

    Probably the most well known modern exponents of Hermeticism are the OGD, but I'd hardly call them destructive.

    I have read the Hermetica and found it interesting. It seems a genuine link to old Indo European occultism of the Greeks and Egyptians and not a Semitic system.
    When evaluating a Tradition for its possible benefit(s) to oneself, it is best to look at what are the expressed end results. In the case of Hermeticism, it is a reunion of the human with the Divine.

    Now speaking from a LHP perspective, this is not good, for it means the ultimate destruction of the ego. Something with was an anathema to the ancient Aryans.

    Although if incorporating elements of Hermeticism into your own personal magical curriculum aids you in your journey, then who's to say it isn't of use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by emillersa View Post
    Hitler wanted to crush the Freemasons, popes have tried to destroy them as a threat to the Catholic church, and conspiracy theorists have tried to link them to the illuminati.

    I am curious how many here are Freemasons?
    A close relative of mine, now deceased, was a Freemason. He was also heavily into Rosicrucianism and other types of esoteric practices, and he attended school with Alex Sanders (the friendship lasted into adulthood). Though I am not very knowledgeable about the subject, I find Freemasonry quite sinister, and I think it played a role in the French Revolution. I see the effects in the insanity of what is happening today: the deification of sensuality, the repudiation of marriage and the state control of children, among other things.

    I agree with what Pope Leo XIII wrote in 1892: "Let us remember that Christianity and Freemasonry are essentially irreconcilable, so that enrolment in one means separation from the other."
    “She could never be a saint, but she thought she could be a martyr if they killed her quick.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice View Post
    A close relative of mine, now deceased, was a Freemason. He was also heavily into Rosicrucianism and other types of esoteric practices, and he attended school with Alex Sanders (the friendship lasted into adulthood).
    Past lives could explain his interests and familiarity.

    The Rosicrucians (or the charlatans who appropriated that namesake) are responsible for Freemasonry's subversion and paving the way for a Jewish takeover of Freemasonry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alice View Post
    Though I am not very knowledgeable about the subject, I find Freemasonry quite sinister, and I think it played a role in the French Revolution.
    Freemasonry began as a non-Jewish, non-mystic orientated, humanistic organization. Mainly conceived so that they could discuss taboo subjects without having to worry about the Inquisition prying into their affairs and watching over their backs. They were mainly concerned with throwing off the yoke of Catholicism (a sect of Christianity, not it's only representative). The Catholic Church suspected that such secret societies existed and commissioned Jesuits to infiltrate and subvert them.

    That specifically anti-Church Freemasonry is actually long gone and in it's place is a secular, pacifistic, pro-Jewish, Oriental Freemasonry. We owe it to Johann Christoph von Wöllner for the subversion of Germany's lodges. Incidentally, he was also responsible for emancipating Jews and reinforcing the Peace of Westphalia (Hitler viewed the Treaty of Versailles as an extension of this policy).

    Neither Freemasonry nor the Bavarian Illuminati were involved in the French Revolution. History never knows of a revolution being carried out by philosophers. It's always demagogues.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alice View Post
    I see the effects in the insanity of what is happening today: the deification of sensuality, the repudiation of marriage and the state control of children, among other things.
    According to Otto Wagener, Hitler believed that the child belongs to the mother, not to the state, but abortion should be made by a medical commission and with the mother's consent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icarus
    Neither Freemasonry nor the Bavarian Illuminati were involved in the French Revolution. History never knows of a revolution being carried out by philosophers. It's always demagogues.
    Masonic scholars don't have any difficulty tracing the origins of the French Revolution back to their secrety society, I don't doubt it was an Illuminati revolution and that Freemasonry was infiltrated by these people by 1789, George Washington himself had observed as much.

    They were mainly concerned with throwing off the yoke of Catholicism (a sect of Christianity, not it's only representative
    (Proto-)Freemasonry wasn't political until the 18th century, the aristocratic families which took part in it until then also had dynasty members active in the clergy and they worked towards a common goal, the well-being of their dynasty - anti-Catholicism didn't enter the picture. And when Freemasonry became political it was revolutionary, pro-Jewish and egalitarian from the start. After the French Revolution the composition of the lodges looked radically different from those that came before it in France, as loyalist aristocrats had no place in them anymore.

    That specifically anti-Church Freemasonry is actually long gone and in it's place is a secular, pacifistic, pro-Jewish, Oriental Freemasonry.
    There never was just a "good anti-catholic" Freemasonry predating the 19th century. (Proto-)Freemasonry simply wasn't anti-Catholic.
    “Individuals trapped in a dying culture live in a twilight world. They embrace death through infertility, concupiscence, and war. A dog will crawl into a hole to die. The members of sick cultures do not do anything quite so dramatic, but they cease to have children, dull their senses with alcohol and drugs, become despondent, and too frequently do away with themselves. Or they make war on the perceived source of their humiliation.”
    — David P. Goldman, as quoted by Jack Donovan in The Way of Men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    Masonic scholars don't have any difficulty tracing the origins of the French Revolution back to their secrety society, I don't doubt it was an Illuminati revolution and that Freemasonry was infiltrated by these people by 1789, George Washington himself had observed as much.
    Washington said he hadn't been active in a lodge for over 30 years and even dismissed the idea that Freemasonry in America had been infiltrated, not affirming it. What he "observed" on the matter was from reading John Robison's book. Thomas Jefferson also read that book, but put in good words for the Illuminati and praise for Weishaupt who was said to be acting on behalf of Christ. Incidentally, Jefferson would go on to pen a book on Jesus' philosophy a few years later. Perhaps he had been inspired by Weishaupt's attempt at reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    There never was just a "good anti-catholic" Freemasonry predating the 19th century. (Proto-)Freemasonry simply wasn't anti-Catholic.
    Would you agree that Albert Pike represents proto-Freemasonry?

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    I am NOT a Freemason.. Hell no!!

    What Freemasonry is to me?

    A more or less 'elitist' organization in which politicians , so-called 'academics' and others are organized . . They ARE part of the NWO . .

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    Only men can be Freemasons. I am not a Freemason. I know that one of my maternal Great Grandfathers was a Freemason, and his father before him.

    I was told that my paternal grandmother was a matron in the Order of the Eastern Star.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Eastern_Star



    I googled it and it's called "Worthy Matron".
    "The Worthy Matron is the highest authority within a Chapter of the Order of the Eastern Star. The Manual for the Worthy Matron is a guide that attempts to enrich her work and to help her be successful in her year as Worthy Matron; with the objective of strengthening our deepest fraternal bonds."

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