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    Post What are British troops still doing in Germany

    Is the occupation from WW2 still continuing? There are almost three times as many British troops in Germany as there are in Iraq....
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    Post Re: What are British troops still doing in Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    Is the occupation from WW2 still continuing? There are almost three times as many British troops in Germany as there are in Iraq....
    Oh well, that's what Germany gets for losing. I really doubt Germany would've moved out of the USSR by now if they'd won.

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    Post AW: Re: What are British troops still doing in Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by YellowDischarge
    I really doubt Germany would've moved out of the USSR by now if they'd won.
    Do you really believe there would have been left an Union of Soviet Socialist Republics if we had won?
    Tolerance is a proof of distrust in one's own ideals. Friedrich Nietzsche


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    Post Re: What are British troops still doing in Germany

    LOL good point on the USSR

    The continued ocupation of Deutschland can be blamed more on NATO than the Brits directly. I also think there are probably more dirty american troops in Germany than British. Regardless the occupation of Germany is as wrong as the bloody holohoax reperations that are still being paid.

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    Post Re: What are British troops still doing in Germany

    I'm not sure about the British military presence there; but as far as the American presence is concerned, American plans to permanently redeploy a substantial number of their troops away from Germany (with many being re-deployed to Eastern Europe) are actually opposed by German politicians and military experts, as this article suggests:

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    Germans fear problems if U.S. removes troops
    Richard Bernstein NYT
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    Commitment to Europe is major issue

    BERLIN The report that thousands of American troops now based in Germany and elsewhere in Europe will probably be redeployed did not come as a surprise in Europe, but it has enhanced deep worries especially in Germany that the plans, if they are actually carried out, will be seen as a sign of a weakened U.S. engagement in Europe.

    "I can understand the United States," Frank Umbach, a military analyst for the German Council on Foreign Relations, said in an interview Friday. "We have a new strategic landscape since the end of the cold war.

    "The borders of instability have moved eastward and southward, so from a purely military point of view, I can certainly understand redeployment."

    But, according to analysts in Germany and elsewhere in Europe, the report that the United States was considering moving the two divisions stationed in Germany to other locations, coming so soon after the fierce debates over the war in Iraq, could weaken the political will on both sides of the Atlantic to continue a half-century-old tradition of close military cooperation.

    "In fact, a good case could be made that new bases elsewhere in Europe, such as in the former communist countries like Romania and Bulgaria, would mean that the American footprint in Europe is actually increasing, which would be a good message," said Jonathan Eyal, a military analyst at the Royal United Services Institute in London.

    "The problem is that the political handling of this by the Americans has not been very good," Eyal continued. "They haven't succeeded in persuading people that it's actually a bigger involvement, and it has become hopelessly enmeshed in the bad feelings generated by Iraq."

    In fact, there have been many announcements and even more rumors over the past year or so that the United States will eventually want to move some of the roughly 70,000 troops it maintains in Germany, which include the two army divisions of the V Corps as well a contingent of 15,000 airmen stationed in several airfields throughout the country.

    Even the most recent and most detailed report of a planned redeployment, coming just as President George W. Bush arrives in Europe for talks with European leaders and for the 60th anniversary D-Day celebrations in France, have not been confirmed by the U.S. officials.

    Plans for a general global redeployment of American forces are still being made, and consultations among the allies are continuing on that subject, the Associated Press reported Friday.

    But the notion that fully two divisions now based in Germany are likely to be sent elsewhere was decidedly not well received in this country, where military analysts said they continued to hope that the Americans could be persuaded to retain a large military presence here.

    "I hope the political decision has not yet been made," Christian Schmidt, a spokesman for the opposition Christian Democratic Union, said in a telephone interview, "and that at the D-Day talks and at the NATO summit in Istanbul at the end of this month there will be serious talks about the necessity to have the Americans politically and military engaged in Europe."

    "I think that the American administration has not yet fully considered the consequences of such a decision, which would basically wipe out the United States military presence in 'Old Europe,'" Schmidt said, referring to countries like Germany and France.

    Withdrawing U.S. troops from Germany would clearly upset many arrangements now already decades old. There is, for example, the economic importance to Germany of many thousands of American troops living in this country with their families, some in towns heavily dependent on their presence.

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    Post Re: AW: Re: What are British troops still doing in Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyklop
    Do you really believe there would have been left an Union of Soviet Socialist Republics if we had won?
    Well then. Just be thankful that they let you keep your nation instead of calling it the 51st state of the USA.

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    Post Re: What are British troops still doing in Germany

    Why is YellowDischarge here? He is regarded as a worthless troll even at the Phora, where it takes a lot to be considered a troll.

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    Post AW: Re: AW: Re: What are British troops still doing in Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by YellowDischarge
    Well then. Just be thankful that they let you keep your nation instead of calling it the 51st state of the USA.
    They didn´t let us keep our nation and the FGR is the 51st state of the USA.
    Suppression of Germany would have been better anyway. At least there would have been animosity against the allied occupying force.
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    Post Re: What are British troops still doing in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Stríbog
    Why is YellowDischarge here? He is regarded as a worthless troll even at the Phora, where it takes a lot to be considered a troll.
    It's easy as hell to be a troll at the Phora. All you have to do is not be a Nazi.

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    Post Re: What are British troops still doing in Germany

    Does 'YellowDischarge' refer to mustard or peepee?

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