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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    (mund means mouth but transfigural speaking). In german we still use the Wort 'Vormund' meaning you take the cases and responsibility for someone (today children and mentally impaired people, in the past it was for all members of the clan/Sippe.
    In Swedish: Förmyndare. -mynd- having to do with the mouth, as in harmynt (cleft lip and palate; har- from hare, which is hare in English, only pronounced differently).

    Punishment was the last and least favored option as it did not heal the situation) The decision then was divined to see whether it was in line with the will of the Gods, who would override any decision made by humans.
    Compensation was the leading principle of Germanic law. Crimes were seen primarily as being committed against the victim, not society. This is something those who fault Muslim countries for allowing criminals to escape punishment by paying blood money should bear in mind.

    There was no separation between 'religion' and daily life and everything. The consiousness and the will of the Gods penetrated everything.
    This is the great crime of the Christianity and the church, that is has externalized spirituality. Not that it could be in any other way with this foreign concoction.

    Charle-le-magne deceived the saxon chieftain and made them come unarmed to a negotiation. then he let them kill, over 5,000 of them. That most likely had been the spirituell elite of the saxon. With the holy men murdered there was not so much resistance in the common saxons therefore they could fell the Irminsul. An act of vile characters just finishing of a betrayed people who trusted the word of a 'christian'.
    Again: Kill the best of the Gentiles.

    Well, back on topic now...

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    @ wittwer

    as the allsustaining pillar upholding the cosmos that is a metaphor of the order of the cosmos, made by Odin as he slaughtered Ymir.

    this order could be meant by that too.

    I think it was part of the thinking of heathen to study that order so one could best participate in the creation process which is still ongoing and not finished. To be in harmony and uphold the order of the cosmos might have been a prime interest of the holy men of the saxons.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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    Irminsul

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    @ wittwer

    as the allsustaining pillar upholding the cosmos that is a metaphor of the order of the cosmos, made by Odin as he slaughtered Ymir.

    this order could be meant by that too.
    Quite true. The fact of the matter is, the Irminsul is a powerful symbol of great antiquity. Both prechristian and post-christian.

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    On second thoughts the milky way looks like a column too and one even could also imagine the 2 arms.

    Thus the order of the cosmos might be represented by the milky way and as an abstract of it by the Irminsul. (Also as Yggdrasil, the primeval tree).

    The rule: as above so below

    that that feature on the sky had mythological interpretation as the 'writing' of the Gods could also have led to the form of the Irminsul.

    But as one sees more and more connection it becomes clear that it had been a central place in the spiritual believe of the saxons.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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    Snorri wrote many centuries ago:

    This Odin with his brothers will be ruling heaven and earth

    (me: heaven and earth: consciousness and matter)

    Another name of Odin is Allfather: the father of all.


    What it meant is that Odin is the consciousness forming everything. Most likely he formed everything as he was himself, meaning whatever forms one find it is a design which also is contained in Odin himself, in consciousness.

    The Irminsul as a symbol contains most likely the core of Odin. Found at the foundation of many things.

    Whatever form one finds it is connected to the most high, it is infact the most high.
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    given that forms are because Odin shaped it so then the form of the Irminsul IS Odin. If it were 'worshipped' then, then as Odin, not as a pillar.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    On second thoughts the milky way looks like a column too and one even could also imagine the 2 arms.

    Thus the order of the cosmos might be represented by the milky way and as an abstract of it by the Irminsul. (Also as Yggdrasil, the primeval tree).

    The rule: as above so below

    that that feature on the sky had mythological interpretation as the 'writing' of the Gods could also have led to the form of the Irminsul.

    But as one sees more and more connection it becomes clear that it had been a central place in the spiritual believe of the saxons.
    In bringing in the Milky Way into consideration one could also see various connexions with both the Swastika and the Black Sun: the swirling spiral of the galaxy mirrored in the likewise movement imparted by the Swastika, at its centre - its axis (the Irminsul as axis/pole) the unmoving centre imparting movement; The Black Sun.

    The "Whirl" at the centre, the axis, being generation... coming into being, the expanding generative force towards a multiplicity of creation.
    Last edited by paraplethon; Sunday, July 10th, 2011 at 04:03 AM. Reason: necessary addition as apples

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    I was possibly wondering if anyone knew where to find a said "source"/ translation if you will, regarding the Runic insignia around that of the black sun (often thought to imbue within the outer ring a runic formulae most commonly attributed and apparently used by the Irminsul')? Any insight regarding this would be extremely helpful!!!!

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    There is in fact no difference between the sky and heaven. Both are the same place, and it was in fact the Christians who were imbeciles.

    The sky is where the gods and heroes of a peoples myths and legends dwell. This is best shown forth amongst the ancient Greeks, with their names of the planets and constellations, but we see it hinted at in ancient Hinduism where Dyaus (Divine/Heavenly Radiance) was sometimes perceived as a black horse (the night sky) draped in pearls (the stars) and in the Tir stanza of the Old English Rune Poem; a rune believed to have been be originally named for the diety Tiw; who's name is related to Dyaus' and the basic Indo-European word for god ... tiv in North Germanic.

    To "go to heaven" once originally meant to ascend into the night sky and take one's place amongs tthe other "stars" of one's folk; ie. to enter into their myth and legendary. Naturally, this could never be the fate of everyone; and so most of us just go to the halls of our ancestors.

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    The name *Irmin is obviously related to Aryaman and such, but there is a lost mythology in the Germanic instance. Historical references to the Irminsuls are not especially informative. People therefore feel as though they are free to impose any so-called facts on the evidence they wish.

    An Irminsul sounds like a maypole to be honest.

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