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    Function of the Irminsul?


    The Irminsul is a symbol of saxons. To its meaning there are various options but finally nobody knows for sure. So here is what I think:

    As Odin slaughtered the giant Ymir it is a representation of consciousness attacking energy/matter. Consciousness without energy is not able to accomplish anything therefore it needed to take energy and control and use it.

    Matter had the nasty tendency to fall into pieces (to multiply). Consciousness therefore had to break down accordingly. Hence the creation of humans. (As a counteract consciousness tries to keep matter together, thats why we have a body while alive, when dead it falls apart)

    In the creation of humans Odin blew Odem/breath into a little piece of wood his 'brothers' Vi and Veli blew too their gifts into the human being.

    The Irminsul of the saxons was made out of wood and it had 3 elements. Thus for me it is the allegory of the human being. through the religious services and sacrifices they 'blew' allegorically elements into the pillar in a recreation-ritual. thus infusing matter with consciousness. It was allegorically meant to show outwardly what everyone should do inwardly: infuse his/her body with consciousness.

    Through the religious services and rituals around that pillar it became charged with the intentions of the people around it. Thus it got its own 'power' as people around were influenced by it.

    As christians destroyed it they destroyed the meaning of the religion of the saxons. obtaining consciousness was destroyed and replaced with 'belief' into a foreign God. Thus the human beings were robbed of their destiny and given a vile corruption instead, which turned them from diginfied free human beings into dumb submissive sheep, ready to be used by their manipulative religious overlords.

    The Irminsul forsure had more meanings than that but it is one which seems to me part of it.











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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    The Irminsul forsure had more meanings than that but it is one which seems to me part of it.
    The centre of the world, axis mundi, for sure; and the connection between the three worlds. Interestingly, these are properties that Christianity later came to ascribe to the cross at Golgotha.

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    It also had the shape of female reproductive organs which is another hint of the creation process. It is there were a new human being is created.

    And as well a new spirituell human being should be created too
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    the saxon (the tribename most likely comes from the german word Sassen, meaning something like settlers) believed that when the Irminsul would be destroyed the sky would be falling on them.

    Now in german we use the word Himmel (Himmin in older german)for sky, but it also has the meaning of heaven. So the word means sky as well as heaven. The use of the meaning 'sky' is there fore intentional derogative, it is meant to show the saxons as mental imbeciles and that Christianity brought 'the light' to them. It is therefore a selfjustifying propaganda tool by christians.

    So what it really meant is not that the sky would fall on them but heaven. As that is what christian said who justified that sacrileg of felling that column we have to be a bit more careful, as that is most likely propaganda to denigrate the heathen belief and to glorify the 'light' of christianity.

    In christianity heaven is the place were God resides. It is a place where you go when you lived a 'sinless' life and became 'holy' (holy most likely derives from the german word Heil, which means something as heal in very broad sense. It describes most likely the lifeforce which heals not only the body and spirit but also the fate). The Gods and heaven are intricately connected to 'heil'.

    As the Irminsul most likely presented the whole of their spirituel wisdom, their customs, their folkway, their lawsystem (it is related to the rune Tyr, the God of Justice and Law), their self-government etc, basically the whole make-up of their life they certainly believed if all that is breaking down their 'heaven' that means their inner connectedness and their consciousness will fail. Hence 'the heaven will fall down on them'. What it meant was the spirituell destruction.

    Their whole life was centered on spirituell wisdom and maturity. The celebrations of the year, the lore, the honoring of ancestors, nature, spirits etc, their work was intricately connected to the Gods, the sacrifices at harvest, the praying for rain (still done as I was young but by the christian priest) and on and on and on, there was not a moment where things were not connected. They lived in a spirituell world. All that crushed down with christianity and the felling of their holy symbol.

    They most likely lived a life 'in heaven' meaning in a certain state of consciousness, which allowed them to be connected to the Gods (Irmin is most likely Odin). Their way of life was meant to stay in this consciousness which was most likely called Himmin, or Himmel. When that state of consciousness was destroyed their state came crushing down into the wilderness of unrelgious life. Hence the heaven would fall down.
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    The Irminsul was also a Thingplace. At the thing there was also the 'court'. A rectangular space marked with a barrier (to day in english common law, the lawyers have to make the 'bar' exam). On the barrier only people were allowed to stand, who had 'standing' (Even today you have to have 'standing' in order that your case is treated at a court). the people who had 'standing' where the head of a clan/Sippe. That was connected to property rights. Property rights were not bound to individuals but to a clan/Sippe. The one of the Sippe who had 'standing' had the 'mundrecht'. (mund means mouth but transfigural speaking). In german we still use the Wort 'Vormund' meaning you take the cases and responsibility for someone (today children and mentally impaired people, in the past it was for all members of the clan/Sippe.

    The judges (in german Richter, which means something like 'righter', somebody who is making something right again) were long trained and did not rule by law but by customs and general guidelines (for ex. Jedem das Seine = To everyone what is his). Their job was to find the right thing, the right decision, which brought everyone back into the right relationship with the whole. They were 3. one who defended, one who accused and one who should find the right balance between the contrahends and make a decision that satisfied everybody. Punishment was the last and least favored option as it did not heal the situation) The decision then was divined to see whether it was in line with the will of the Gods, who would override any decision made by humans.

    In order to get things back in harmony one had to have a very high state of consciousness, The Godsoul. there was no way a judge could be corrupt or could favor anybody or misjudge for his own reason. There was no separation between 'religion' and daily life and everything. The consiousness and the will of the Gods penetrated everything.

    The place for the Irminsul was also the thingplace, because it was a holy place. Therefore it had a stronger connection to the Gods. the place, the symbol of the Irminsul and the actions around it stood under the direct influence of the Gods. Destroying that destroyed everything a heathen stood for. A heathen itself was not separable from the Gods but was part of it.

    Destroying the Irminsul was destroying the life of the heathens. Cast him into a destitute of inimaginable baseness and corruption, whatever was holy was destroyed by christians.

    Charle-le-magne deceived the saxon chieftain and made them come unarmed to a negotiation. then he let them kill, over 5,000 of them. That most likely had been the spirituell elite of the saxon. With the holy men murdered there was not so much resistance in the common saxons therefore they could fell the Irminsul. An act of vile characters just finishing of a betrayed people who trusted the word of a 'christian'.
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    Irminsul is also perceived to be the world tree of Ash (Yggdrasil in old norse beliefs). This is from which Odin is created some say
    All things must come to the soul from it's roots, from where it is planted. The that is beside the running water is fresher, and gives more fruit.

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    re

    Though the Irminsul as a symbol is a subject of great debate regarding its importance, it can be said, at least, that what it represents is vastly important to all beings everywhere. Not just mankind but to all the beings in all the nine worlds which exist because of Yggdrasil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post


    The Irminsul of the saxons was made out of wood and it had 3 elements. Thus for me it is the allegory of the human being. through the religious services and sacrifices they 'blew' allegorically elements into the pillar in a recreation-ritual. thus infusing matter with consciousness. It was allegorically meant to show outwardly what everyone should do inwardly: infuse his/her body with consciousness.[/LEFT]
    This axis could well be the same axis upon which numerous charkras are situated in the Vedic tradition, and the infusion of conciousness you speak of - the activation of said chakras, particularly if one were to consider the Yggdrasil/Nine Worlds connection.

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    the word 'sul' is the older version of 'Saeule' in german which means column.

    As the axis you are talking about is running along the spine and that in german is named 'Wirbel-Saeule' (Whirl-column in a one to one translation) it could also be a representation of that.

    As the Wirbelsaeule has the head on top of it and the head is considered the place for 'consciousness' the place of the Gods, the upper chakras (third eye and head chakra) are clearly connected to the cosmos and this would be destroyed through the destruction of their religious exercise the meaning could be explained through that as well.

    It most likely is a blueprint of design in the human body to be found in other circumstances too and it is clearly divine.
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    Irminsul

    The Irminsul is nothing less than the universal all sustaining pillar...

    There's a recent one which was erected in the 1990's at Harbarnsen-Irmensul.




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