More confused by the minute...

[Freja]

Although I haven´t yet made contributions of any significance here on Skadi, I´ve visited nearly every day since I joined. I spend my time here reading and trying to find answers to all my questions.
Browsing through the thread "Forum biased?", I see I´m not the only one reacting to the number of people who seem (to my unexperiened eye) to be anything BUT nordic/aryan/white-whatever.

I thought white was simply white, but I seem to be mistaken. It seems the right shape of nose "saves" you, even if your hair, eyes, and skin AND origin tell a wholly different story.
(However, I´m still just a novice on racial classification, so don´t be too hard on me.)

[Zyklop]

I thought white was simply white, but I seem to be mistaken. It seems the right shape of nose "saves" you, even if your hair, eyes, and skin AND origin tell a wholly different story.
(However, I´m still just a novice on racial classification, so don´t be too hard on me.)

Could you be more specific? A negro with a nordic nose isn´t considered white.

In my humble opinion "white" is a pretty useless term. There are native subraces in Europe which didn´t originate from one white proto-race.

[Loki]

Although I haven´t yet made contributions of any significance here on Skadi, I´ve visited nearly every day since I joined. I spend my time here reading and trying to find answers to all my questions.
Browsing through the thread "Forum biased?", I see I´m not the only one reacting to the number of people who seem (to my unexperiened eye) to be anything BUT nordic/aryan/white-whatever.

I thought white was simply white, but I seem to be mistaken. It seems the right shape of nose "saves" you, even if your hair, eyes, and skin AND origin tell a wholly different story.
(However, I´m still just a novice on racial classification, so don´t be too hard on me.)

Your confusion arises from the fact that Norway is a very typical white and homogenous country. You don't have much phenotypical variation in your country. But the fact remains that people on the fringes of Europe look (and are) very different from those in your home country far, far north. We want to preserve this uniqueness.

[Freja]

Zyklop; I´m of course not referring to people with negroid features, but rather to people from the middle-east and other places where you can easily find individuals with nordic features and dark colouring. A few weeks ago, someone linked to a thread on Stormfront where a young girl had posted her picture. This girl looked clearly non-white (to use the useless term) to my unexperienced eye. I´ve had one employee, an iranian born girl, who looked more white to me than the girl on Stormfront.
So can anybody please tell me in laymans terms the definition of "white"? And what is the proper thing to call it if the words white and aryan don´t apply?

I´ve spent some time on the Côte d´Azur, and the phenotypical variations there are quite interesting. (Of course, the closeness to the African continent and the history of invasions tell the story.)
Thinking about it, I get your point, Loki. Anything slightly swarthy sure does get noticed here in Norway.

[Zyklop]

So can anybody please tell me in laymans terms the definition of "white"? And what is the proper thing to call it if the words white and aryan don´t apply?

I would call it being "European" and define it by at least 15/16 European ancestry and the lack of non-european subracial traits.

Using Günther´s scheme, European subraces are: Nordid, Phalian, East-Baltid, Alpine, Dinarid and Mediterranid.

[Alkman]

In terms of Anthropology,The race is called Caucasian and its 3 subraces are Nordic,Alpine and Meditteranean.All other subtypes are actually mix of these 3 subraces or mix of them with minor non Caucasian blood.
As for "White",it is not a scientific term,you can use it according your stantards.Perhaps a central European Alpine doesnt look white to your North European eyes,just like a pale skin, dark haired/eyed Mediterranean like me to his.

[DvB]

In terms of Anthropology,The race is called Caucasian and its 3 subraces are Nordic,Alpine and Meditteranean.All other subtypes are actually mix of these 3 subraces or mix of them with minor non Caucasian blood.

Rassen zeichnen sich dadurch aus, eben gerade kein "Mix" zu sein!

[Alkman]

Rassen zeichnen sich dadurch aus, eben gerade kein "Mix" zu sein!

Bar,bar,bar...

[Freja]

Thank you all, this makes it so much clearer. I realize now that my definition of "white" has in reality been Nordid. Now I know better.

[Loki]

Thank you all, this makes it so much clearer. I realize now that my definition of "white" has in reality been Nordid. Now I know better.

The definition of "white" rests purely on the choice of the individual. I agree with you in that I mostly associate it with the Nordid.