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    The 'white God' or the 'God of Whites'?

    White has never been a racial group in the past.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray View Post
    In my opinion, it shouldn't be anyone with less than half Germanic ancestry. I've come across various references in my reading that explicitly state that whites are Woden's folk, and no one else.

    Plus, there is the fact that we have Heimdallr, who is commonly referred to as being the "White god".
    Explicitly white is not the same as explicitly Germanic, still I tend to agree it would be more of a Germanic thing. Its hard to say how Germanic some groups are. We have the Irish as an example, I would say they are within the Germanic family but what proportion of their ancestor are from ancient German tribes or the Viking is a different matter. Would it be over 50%?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgard View Post
    Odin's Folk are mostly Northern European and Baltic peoples who have at least some Germanic blood and or historical close contact.
    No.

    The Baltic peoples have their own gods. Whilst I will always share my meat & mead with let's say a Lithuanian or Latvian, and having great respect for their people, folk culture, story-telling, history and for them in general; I will - upon the question of whether he should be following our gods, point him instead towards his very own pantheon, which is his folk's manifestation of the faith.

    For the rest, you're getting there, but in essence to all other Europeans, a similar procedure would be expected: Conversation yes, but let them follow their own gods, their faiths have an equal right to rebirth and preservation.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_mythology Clearing things up after these people is like looking after a baby.

    I doubt there are many on here with a white nationalist outlook. White nationalism is becoming more and more irrelevant these days, especially in Europe. It has been superceded by Ethnonationalism.

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    I think to answer that question of who Odin's folk is you need to know who Odin is.

    there are different ideas of what a God is.

    Most got their God-idea from Christianity. there is a human like figure (just way more powerful) who presides over the cosmos and has a special interest in the proceedings on Earth and a focus on humans and as that a certain tribe and as part of that a certain person, which is you.

    there is another concept that Gods are humanized natural forces. they are not really Gods but it makes it easier to understand and the description are given in a way that it could be a story played on earth.

    there is also a way to look at them as entities who are not human but still have consciousness, will and individuality, they are not incorporated and of a higher order as humans.

    they were once humans but transformed themselves into Gods and survived death and are now more powerful and design the happenings on earth.

    they are scarecrows but not really existent, So they can be used to keep people in line morally

    There are also other ways to look at them which I think are more marginal, like they are really aliens out of space etc.


    Whatever you see in them has an impact on the relationship you have with them and the perceived relationship the Gods have with humans.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgard View Post
    Explicitly white is not the same as explicitly Germanic, still I tend to agree it would be more of a Germanic thing. Its hard to say how Germanic some groups are. We have the Irish as an example, I would say they are within the Germanic family but what proportion of their ancestor are from ancient German tribes or the Viking is a different matter. Would it be over 50%?
    The Irish don't have much Germanic ancestry. The Vikings that settled and established Dublin and other places were fairly few in number compared to the Gaels already living there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray View Post
    The Irish don't have much Germanic ancestry. The Vikings that settled and established Dublin and other places were fairly few in number compared to the Gaels already living there.
    That was my point. I would not keep the Irish out of the Germanic Folk but they are not pure or even in many cases predominantly Germanic. The English are mixed with Celt as well but to a lessor degree. I have some Irish ancestor but half of that is aristocratic Norman Irish so good Germanic stock and the other half of the Irish is Anglo Irish. Still some of my wider family have the dark Irish hair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgard View Post
    That was my point. I would not keep the Irish out of the Germanic Folk but they are not pure or even in many cases predominantly Germanic. The English are mixed with Celt as well but to a lessor degree. I have some Irish ancestor but half of that is aristocratic Norman Irish so good Germanic stock and the other half of the Irish is Anglo Irish. Still some of my wider family have the dark Irish hair.
    I wouldn't keep a Celt out if they were truly devoted to the religion and really wanted to be involved. They are very similar to Germanics in a lot of ways, most have at least a little bit of German ancestry.
    Plus, I have some Scottish ancestry myself, so I have a genuine interest in Celtic affairs as well.

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    I will only speak for the English here but I dont think there can be much doubt on the blood front here, if not for the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Danelaw and Vikings prolonged invasions and stays, the Norman invasion pretty much sealed the deal, even before the Romans arrived if we look at treasure finds in pre-roman britain, we share many similar artifacts with Germanic finds elsewhere.

    Pre- Roman Britain was more Celtish for sure but they were pushed to Wales and Cornwall, hence the languages, do not think the Cornish can be classed as Celts though as I think the Normans put pay to that, their blood is as Germanic as any.

    The Welsh?, not sure, they have different Gods from what ive read and is the home of Druidry (an interesting faith that has much to admire), if there blood is German via submission to England only DNA can tell.
    However I would say the way these islands were invaded that almost all are Germanic to atleast a very large degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray View Post
    I wouldn't keep a Celt out if they were truly devoted to the religion and really wanted to be involved. They are very similar to Germanics in a lot of ways, most have at least a little bit of German ancestry.
    Plus, I have some Scottish ancestry myself, so I have a genuine interest in Celtic affairs as well.
    The Greeks and the Romans often had trouble telling the two apart, especially the ones that lived in close proximity to each other.

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