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    HPL didn't care for Irishmen or Italians either.
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    He was an Anglophile. He took swipes at Germans also because of WW1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magni View Post
    He was an Anglophile. He took swipes at Germans also because of WW1.
    Quite true. HPL often said if he had his choice he would have wanted to live in either republican Rome or pre Revolutionary Providence.

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    So I believe that Arkham is based on Salem, or at least is located in Essex County Massachusetts, and Miskatonic University is based on Brown. What do you think the Miskatonic river is supposed to be though? I always assume the Merrimack but that is nowhere near Brown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magni View Post
    So I believe that Arkham is based on Salem, or at least is located in Essex County Massachusetts, and Miskatonic University is based on Brown. What do you think the Miskatonic river is supposed to be though? I always assume the Merrimack but that is nowhere near Brown.
    There is an excellent article in Lovecraft Studies #39 entitled Arkham Country: In Rescue of the Lost Searches by Robert W. Marten that goes into quite commendable detail on all of the real world inspirations for HPl's mythical locals.

    Arkham: Salem/Danvers

    Dunwich: Wilbraham

    Innsmouth: Newburyport

    Kingsport: Marblehead

    Miskatonic River: North River

    Guide to Lovecraftian Sites in Rhode Island
    http://www.hplovecraft.com/creation/sites/rhode.asp
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    I have been to Salem and Newburyport many times but I have never been to Marblehead and it is just next to Salem. I should make a day trip sometime this summer.

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    Are you familiar with Clark Ashton Smith? I purchased the Nightshade volumes without being familiar with his work and I am quite pleased. /

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magni View Post
    Are you familiar with Clark Ashton Smith? I purchased the Nightshade volumes without being familiar with his work and I am quite pleased. /
    Great site for all things Clark Ashton Smith,
    http://www.eldritchdark.com/

    I've read from just about all of HPL's literary circle, but none of them interested me as much as HPL himself.

    There's two decent HPL documentaries out atm,
    LOVECRAFT: Fear Of The Unknown Trailer
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    The Eldritch Influence
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    More good HP Lovecraft quotes.

    A great Lovecraft quote about blacks, and their effect on society:

    The black race is vastly inferior. There can be no question of this among modern and unsentimental biologists — eminent Europeans, all of them. But, it is also a fact that there would be a very grave problem even if the negro were the white man's equal. For the simple fact is, that two very dissimilar races, whether "equal'" or not, cannot peacefully coexist in the same territory until they are either completely mongrelized or cast in folkways of permanent traditional aloofness. No normal being feels at ease amidst a population radically different from himself, in both physical aspects and emotional responses. This, of course, implies permanent association. We can all visit exotic scenes and like it — and when we are young and ignorant, we usually think we might continue to love it as a regular thing. But as years come to pass, we see that mongrelism won’t work. We require an environment of physical types like our own, and will sacrifice anything to get them. If we find ourselves engulfed by alien and clashing influences, we instinctively fight against them.

    Naturally, if a race wants to submit to the terrible ordeal of mongrelisation for an agonizing period of centuries, there will emerge a new race whose members will have attained a new homogeneity — and therefore a new and satisfying equilibrium. But who wants to sacrifice himself for the sake of this hypothetical future race — a race just as foreign and meaningless to him as the Africans are to ourselves? All that any living man normally wants is a stable perpetuation of the forms and appearances to which his perceptions are, from birth, instinctively attuned. That's all there is to human life — the preservation of a framework which will render the experience of the individual relevant and significant. Here we have the phenomenon of race prejudice in a nutshell: the normal struggle of every sane personality to live in a world where life can mean something.

    Just how the negroes can be adjusted to the American fabric, yet remains to be seen. It's possible that the economic dictatorship of the future can work out a plan of separate allocation, whereby the blacks follow a self-contained life of their own, avoiding the hardships of inferiority through a reduced numbers of contacts with the whites. However, sentimentalists exaggerate the woes of the average negro. Millions of negroes would be content with a servile status, if good physical treatment and sexual amusement could be assured them. We must also discourage the increase of mulatto half-breeds by placing the heaviest penalties on miscegenation, and arousing as much public sentiment as possible against this disgusting phenomenon.

    All told, I think the modern American is pretty well on his guard, at last, against racial and cultural mongrelism. There will be a very long time of deterioration, but the Nordic has a fighting chance of coming out on top in the end.

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    And this is my favorite HP Lovecraft quote of all time. Actually, strike that - it's my favorite racialist quote ever.

    Every multiculturalist libtard should have this little essay posted on their bedroom wall. Here, Lovecraft absolutely destroys multiculturalism:

    As for the problem of race and culture.
    This problem is by no means as simple as is assumed by either the Nazis or by rabble-catering Jew York newspapers. As a matter of fact — all apart from social or cultural prejudice — there indisputably is such a thing as a Nordic subdivision of the white race, as evolved by a migratory life in Northern Asia and Europe. Of course, very little of it remains pure at this date (after all, the mixtures resulting from its contacts with other stocks) but anyone would be a damn fool to deny that certain racial units remain predominantly and determinately Nordic in blood, so that their instincts generally follow the Nordic pattern, and differ radically from those of the groups which are non-Nordic. Anybody can see for themselves the difference between a tall, straight-nosed, bright-eyed Teuton (be he blond or dark) on the one hand, and a swarthy Latin or camel-faced Semite on the other hand. And even if a Teutonic group happens to pick up and assimilate large numbers of Latins, Greeks, Celts or Slavs, it will continue to think and feel in a characteristic Nordic fashion, as long as the old blood remains dominant, and the culture-stream remains unbroken. Of course, it's true that the cultural heritage is stronger than the biological, but only a freakish extremist would neglect the importance of race and biology. Separate lines of evolution have developed very differing responses to given environments.

    As for the question of superiority and inferiority — when we observe the animal kingdom and note the vast differences in capacity between different species, we see how utterly stupid is the blanket assumption of idealist fools that all the sub-species of Homo-sapiens must be "equal". The truth is, that we cannot lay down any general rule in this matter at the outset. We must simply study each variety, with the perfect detachment of the zoologist, and abide by the results of honest investigation. And what does such a study tell us? Largely this — that the negroes, Indians and Australoids are basically primitive and inferior. All other average roughly the same, so far as the elite classes of each is concerned. The same, that is, in total capacity, though each has its own special traits. These races are all infinitely different — so much that the cultural pattern of one is unadaptable to any other. The ancient civilizations of China and Japan are not inferior to ours — yet it could not possibly suit us Nordics, no more than ours could suit a mongoloid race. And that is where the need of realistic intelligence, as opposed to idealistic and liberal flapdoodle, comes in. The fact is, that a need for a certain amount of racial discrimination exists, apart from all questions of superiority or inferiority. The development of a civilization depends upon its stability and continuity; and these factors cannot be ensured unless A) the culture-stream remains undiluted by alien traditions (or by irrelevant and traditionless innovations) and (B) the race-stock remains approximately the same as that which created the culture in the first place. The first point is very obvious. The second becomes so after a moment’s thought. To take a concrete instance — we live in a nation whose ingrained folkways and types of thought are emphatically a result of a Teutonic race-stock. That is, our institutions were evolved to fit the psychological needs of persons who are mostly Nordic Aryans, so that they cannot fit other races. In many cases, other race-stocks have very different needs and feelings — so if they try to settle in our country, they create a situation of mutual discomfort. They do not feel at home among us, and when they try to bend our institutions to fit themselves, they make us uncomfortable, they destroy our cultural equilibrium, and they degenerate our whole civilization. This should not be! Therefore, Adolf Hitler’s basic racial theory is perfectly sound: namely, that no homogeneous nation ought to allow an alien race-stock to bring about an alteration in the ethnic composition. These perils lead to the most disastrous and tragic results.

    All these things are aspects of one underlying and terrible condition — the destruction of cultural stability, and the creation of hopeless disparity between a social group and the institutions under which it lives. Now this has nothing to do with superiority and inferiority. That is what the howling sentimentalists and liberals can’t get through their thick skulls. It doesn’t matter whether a race is our equal — or even our superior (as, in all probability, the Ancient Greek race was). If another race is, in any way, radically different from our own, they should not be allowed to pour into our nation. All racial aliens can destroy our culture if they come in and break up the equilibrium existing here. Remember that a people cannot change its culture on a whim. These things, to be valid and satisfying, must be a result of deep-seated growth — and must, above all, be suited to the race in question. Thus, I sympathize with the principle that Nordic Aryan nations such as Germany and the United States ought to be kept predominantly Nordic in blood and completely Nordic in culture. This is not because Nordic blood is necessarily "superior" to any other, but simply because these nations happen to be essentially Nordic at the outset. I believe just as strongly that Japan ought to be kept completely Japanese. Indeed, I agree with those Japanese thinkers who lament the current dilution of Japan’s culture and folkways with alien American elements. As for this talk of an “Americanism” which opposes racial discrimination — that is simply goddamned bullshit! The ideal is so flagrantly unsound in its very essence, that it's a disgrace to any nation professing it. The ideal of multi-culturalism is an ignorant, sentimental, impractical, and dangerous delusion.
    HP Lovecraft, I am in awe.

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