View Poll Results: do you believe in eternal damnation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dark mind View Post
    interestingly, non-trinitarians (as I am too) altogether seem to dismiss the notion of eternal damnation; thanks for your post

    do you belong to any denomination?
    From what I've gathered, at least in the U.S., non-trinitarian beliefs are an extension of a couple of centuries of deistic thought that begun in England during the Enlightenment (aka the Age of Reason). In early the early U.S. these Christians were called the Unitarians (the contemporary Unitarian Universalists purloined the name of the Unitarian Christians; UUism has nothing to do with Unitarian, non-trinitarian Christianity). The old Unitarians had close associations with the deists and in many ways the two groups were at times hard to tell apart (i.e. both groups tended to reject a literalist's view of the Bible, the divinity of Jesus and unsavory doctrines like original sin and eternal damnation). Here's a modern reincarnation of the old Unitarian Christian creed:

    http://www.americanunitarian.org/

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    Do You Believe in Eternal Damnation?

    Yes, I believe in Eternal Damnation.

    As there is both good and evil in the world, I have to believe that there is a place where good souls go (and are rewarded) and likewise, a place where bad souls go (and are punished).

    I simply can't wrap my brain around a concept in which ALL sin is forgiven and all souls end up in Heaven - if this is the case there are a number of "evil souls" I would like to deal with personally when I get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dark mind View Post
    interestingly, non-trinitarians (as I am too) altogether seem to dismiss the notion of eternal damnation; thanks for your post

    do you belong to any denomination?
    Maybe those who are non-trinitarian arrive at that conclusion because they read and belive what the Bible says rather than what some paid Priest tells them to belive, in which case they would tend to belive other biblical truths for the same reason.

    Maybe this is why Jesus said, "the truth will set you free"?, free from the fear of the lies that are doctrines of men.

    I would love to be in a denomination as I walk a very lonely furrow, but have found no religion that fulfills the Biblical mold, in fact they all either worship the Sun, or they are idolatrous to the point of self worship, the Jehovahs Witnesses come to mind here, they do seem to be the closest to Biblical truth, but then they put themselves in the position of Jesus by claiming to be the mediator between God and Men.

    Iam waiting for the "Two Witnesses" of Revelation and Ezekiel", they will show us the path that we should walk in the way John the Baptist did for Christs first coming.

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    As there is both good and evil in the world, I have to believe that there is a place where good souls go (and are rewarded) and likewise, a place where bad souls go (and are punished).
    so you would say that rather one's deeds determines one's afterlife rather than one's faith?

    as reasonable it sounds it is not actually a biblical doctrine

    I simply can't wrap my brain around a concept in which ALL sin is forgiven and all souls end up in Heaven
    all souls could be forgiven if the appropriate punishment will be done; evil souls could be destroyed rather eternally tormented - would make more sense to me, after all, noone is 100% evil and noone is 100% good

    I would love to be in a denomination as I walk a very lonely furrow, but have found no religion that fulfills the Biblical mold
    I will PM you but for now it is quite late for me
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    May I ask a simple question:

    What good does eternal damnation serve? Does it serve some sort of corrective purpose or is the warden of the hell-jail (Yahweh/Christ) simply a foul sadist?

    Any diety that sets up such a system is not good. Not at all. Yet this is the common belief of the Bible-believers, that a supposedly omnibenvolent (all-good, all-compassionate) deity also creates a place called Hell where the the souls of ne'er-do-wells are tortured for eternity.

    Yet you've got some that say that Hell is "eternal separation from God (Yahweh/Christ)." What a pile of rot; even the religious Jews that I've talked to don't believe in the idea of Hell as a place of eternal punishment or separation. Oddly enough the devout religious Jewish idea is more or less like our own, i.e. "We've got one life to live so let's make the best of it and leave a good name behind us when we die."

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    Yes, I believe in eternal damnation. Everything has a balance (good - evil) in the physical world so the same is true for the spiritual world. The opposite of receiving salvation and eternal life in the kingdom of God is being eternally separated from Him and cast in the depths of hell with the devil. There is a verse in the Bible which talks of "everlasting punishment":

    Matthew 25:46 - "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

    Another verse which warms that hell is a very ugly place to be in:

    Luke 12:5 - "But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him."

    A verse which talks of eternal torment:

    Revelation 14:11 - "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."

    Another verse which describes eternal fate in hell:

    Revelation 20:10 - "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

    So hell punishment is eternal, just like heavenly reward is eternal. Some peoples will find it unfair, but everything has a balance. Some peoples believe in karma, others in divine justice. In my view, whatever you believe in, you should seek not to do harm onto others, because it might come back to you one day. I think the saying "don't do to others what you wouldn't like done to yourself" is a good means to live by. Furthermore there are really wicked peoples on this earth, who hate God and have no humanity. Before, peoples feared eternal judgment more. At some point the doors could be left open. But now they don't fear it but that doesn't make hell a less real place.

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    Hell isn't so much for children, as it is for adults who know better but still reject the Lord, bringing fate upon themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baorn View Post
    Hell isn't so much for children, as it is for adults who know better but still reject the Lord, bringing fate upon themselves.
    Yes. We adults have a choice between doing what we know is right or what we know is wrong. And rather we like it or not, there are consequences for the choices we decide to make; if not in this world, then surely in the next.

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    Especially idolaters and cheaters. Those are violations of the Two Great Commandments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LillyCaterina View Post
    Yes. We adults have a choice between doing what we know is right or what we know is wrong. And rather we like it or not, there are consequences for the choices we decide to make; if not in this world, then surely in the next.
    How do you explain why some people choose to do wrong and others choose to do right?

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