View Poll Results: do you believe in eternal damnation?

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  • I believe in eternal suffering in hell as eg. the Catholic church teaches

    7 36.84%
  • I believe in annihilation as eg. the Jehova Witnesses teach

    0 0%
  • I believe in universal salvation as eg. some of the early church fathers taught

    2 10.53%
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Thread: Do You Believe in Eternal Damnation?

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    Do You Believe in Eternal Damnation?

    I already created this thread in the "general religion" part of this forum but now I am interested in the opinion of Christians in this forum

    I know that the idea that at long last all of God's creatures will inherit paradise might sound like a modern liberal sentiment

    on the other hand the doctrine of universal salvation had a long history in Church history; while on the other hand the idea of eternal damnation (and "eternity" itself) is a relatively new invention, not prior to the rise of Catholicism and I think foreign to the northern mind

    we can discuss later as I am deep inclined to the topic but for the moment I am interested weather you believe in

    I. the traditional doctrine of eternal torment in hell

    II. annihilationism as taught eg. by Jehova Witnesses

    III. universal salvation as taught eg. by ancient Church fathers as Origen, Gregory of Nyssa or modern theologists
    "Ein guter Mensch in seinem dunklen Drange ist sich des rechten Weges wohl bewußt."

    Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - Faust

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    I believe in spiritual cause in effect, but eternity is a long "time" indeed.

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    No. "When you know there's no heaven, you don't fear hell." But I'd like to think karma exists. Perhaps I should not have participated in this poll as I'm not a Christian. But you got my two cents' worth anyway.

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    now where the poll is closed:

    I expected more answers which leads me to following conclusion:

    either the Christians in this board don't mind the topic of eternal damnation at all or they are fed up with this controversy

    I thought that here at the forum there might be "ultra orthodox" Christians that condemn any liberal thoughts (e.g. universalism), which however would have brought them into the dilemma, that the majority in this forum rejects Christianity which would condemn them to eternal damnation according to "orthodox Christianity"

    as no Christian answered any further discussion is obsolet I suppose

    maybe the person that voted that he also believes in "universalism" might call me per PM
    "Ein guter Mensch in seinem dunklen Drange ist sich des rechten Weges wohl bewußt."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dark mind View Post
    as no Christian answered any further discussion is obsolet I suppose
    I believe in eternal damnation, like the Church commands me to. And hell is an actual place and not a state. No rest for the wicked. Awesome.
    "And how can man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods?" - Thomas Babington Macaulay

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    I don't know if I believe in eternal damnation I think that is a bit extreme of a condemnation issues by mere mortals. I think dogmatist like to make extreme points out like this to scare people into submitting to their whims and desires. On the other hand I believe people who did evil things and projected negative energies onto others will most likely be locked into a world where they will have to live a lifetime to make up for their own wrongdoings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    I believe in eternal damnation, like the Church commands me to. And hell is an actual place and not a state. No rest for the wicked. Awesome.
    I hope you allow me the question, how do you deal with the fact then, that the majority in this forum rejects Christianity?

    Aren't they then be doomed to hell also (however I know that Catholics appear to be less strict than Evangelicals)?

    And would this not turn racial issues in the background so that one should rather try to save one's comrades souls than to discuss racial issues?

    On the other hand I believe people who did evil things and projected negative energies onto others will most likely be locked into a world where they will have to live a lifetime to make up for their own wrongdoings.
    sounds reasonable, I feel a similar sentiment
    "Ein guter Mensch in seinem dunklen Drange ist sich des rechten Weges wohl bewußt."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    I believe in eternal damnation, like the Church commands me to. And hell is an actual place and not a state. No rest for the wicked. Awesome.
    Poll closed? Who did it offend on this free speech forum?

    The "wicked" also includes those who simply choose not to grovel before a jew as you do.
    If you feel that most members of Skadi are going to hel then why encourage them to continue to behave like the condemned:

    Those who use cuss words/profanity/vulgarities:

    Clearly, the Bible forbids something called aijscrologiva (aischrologia), “obscene speech.” Colossians 3:8 says, “But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech [aijscrologiva (aischrologia)] from your mouth”


    Why not just tell them you feel they are wicked as the bible describes them, and not just breaking Skadi's rules?

    Doesn't the church forbid relations with those who are defined as condemned?

    This threat of eternal damnation originates from the same people who tortured hundreds of thousands to death and imprisoned who knows how many more. I feel that one cannot possibly be a true Germanic preservationist that follows a religion that did so much to destroy Germanics. It is a comical contradiction.

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    Poll closed? Who did it offend on this free speech forum?
    I determined the poll to be closed after a week, I wanted a definite result and also expected more to take part in the poll
    "Ein guter Mensch in seinem dunklen Drange ist sich des rechten Weges wohl bewußt."

    Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - Faust

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    I don't believe the flames are literal. I don't think the Devil has horns, though he might have a hook nose like his children, the Talmudists.

    Hell is "eternal separation" from God. And that would be beyond imagination. If you understand the true meaning of Colossians 1:17, "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist," separation from God is something right out the most bizarre and macabre of science fiction, separation from the "mysterious force" that holds energy together as matter. Like being in some eternal "other dimensional" prison, as one would see in Star Trek, or similar. The worst of the worst one would experience, and beyond, from a really bad LSD trip, experiencing horror of horrors. Being burned was not something that folks in the past liked (obviously!), and that illustration worked for them.

    The Bible was written for very simple folk, who had a very rudimentary understanding of how the universe works. It couldn't have been written like, "In the beginning, God created the Higgs Boson, and matter materialized...," otherwise it would have not only been unacceptable to ancient folk, but it would have betrayed the natural social and technological evolution of humanity.

    In short, I do believe in "eternal damnation," and it's not something God assigns you to. You assign yourself there by refusing to accept - or worse, willfully mocking - His existence & love, and His Son Jesus Christ. God only gives you what you claimed you wanted. The existence of God is obvious for all (Romans 1:19-20); even the ancient Germans accepted the existence of "Uralten."

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