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    Dreams May Be Vital to Human Survival

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqQrbF2RFQc

    Apparently they are finding that REM and NREM dreaming are vital evolutionary mechanisms that mother nature uses on us to redistribute knowledge/memories, put things together, think creatively about the future, and emphasize what we really feel about situations and relationships. They believe they are important for our emotional intelligence, mental proficiency, creativity to solve problems, and psychological well being in the least. This suggests that Sigmund Freud's ideas were profoundly flawed. Some psychologists believe that without nightmares or REM sleep, we would have ceased to exist as a species. I do think that what they did with the animal experiments was absolutely horrible and unnecessary, but the rest of the information in the video was great.
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    The Gods communicate to us in dreams. It is good when one wakes up to write them down. There is a ton of messages which are important to know.

    As as a shaman the first step is to be aware in dreams, the second is to act in dreams and the third is to bring that 'dream' state into our waking state.

    Essentially there is no difference between dreams and the waking state. What we think is 'real' is highly selected and interpreted design based on perceptions.

    Shamans say one can change 'reality' like dreams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    The Gods communicate to us in dreams. It is good when one wakes up to write them down. There is a ton of messages which are important to know.

    As as a shaman the first step is to be aware in dreams, the second is to act in dreams and the third is to bring that 'dream' state into our waking state.

    Essentially there is no difference between dreams and the waking state. What we think is 'real' is highly selected and interpreted design based on perceptions.

    Shamans say one can change 'reality' like dreams.
    Right, this is what makes dreams so fascinating. I used to dream all the time, the most mysterious and thought provoking dreams ever, but I don't have very interesting ones anymore, nor do I have nightmares. Perhaps God or the Gods wanted to communicate something, and stopped doing so when I got older and more doubtful of their existance. I very rarely get a dream where I'm in any kind of scene anymore, its all just unfamiliar voices, objects, and dialogue in my head. Perhaps I really just want to stop having them though.

    I used to have a recurring rape terror dream when I was little that I and my mother both found very strange, I've always thought it was some particularly traumatic memory from a past life, but I wonder if it was some kind of bad spirit or God trying to communicate now that you mention it. Most kids COULD NOT imagine what I dreamed at the age I did. It was upsetting me terribly and giving me emotional problems, because it was hideous and I didn't understand it. I was also ABSOLUTELY NOT molested, and in the dream I was older sometimes and my own age sometimes.
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    C.G.Jung wrote a book about symbols (I think it is a free ebook). Most of the symbols we see in dreams are not necessarily one to one interpretations. I think he mentioned the symbol 'rape' and said it could mean many things among them a real rape or 'raping' of soul, spirit, 'rape' could stand for something else.

    Recurring dreams are the ones you should look for, as that is something your 'subconscious'/soul wants to tell you and heal you. There is something which needs to be worked on.

    If you do not remember your dreams you can do the following:

    Put something to write close to your bed
    take a full glass of water
    put your hands above it
    close your eyes and keep the intention of remembering your dreams and let it stream through your hands into the glass, imagine also how it streams there.
    then drink HALF of it
    put your alarm clock 5 minutes before you usually get up
    when you wake up, stay in the state of half wake and reconstruct your dream, then write it down on paper (it is important otherwise it quickly fades away)
    then drink the other half glass


    carry it through the day and see what thoughts, feelings etc come up during the day.
    Your soul may assist you by arranging things in your 'reality' to make things clear, see it as omen, strange meetings, strange occurrences, etc.

    C.G.Jung writes about those 'coincidences' too.

    About rape-dreams in young age I do not know much, I guess it could be a former life time trauma which troubled your soul and has been brought into your current existence. One needs a shamanistic soul travel to see that,
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    I don´t know if dreams are really vital for human survival, but they are at least very important for one´s personal life. To me, dreams are like an other world, a magically world so similar to my real life but also so different in many aspects. I can remember the most wonderful dreams I had in the past, they´re like a magical kingdom just for yourself. Often I wake up and think to myself: "What a wonderful dream. Sad that it´s already over now". Some dreams were better than the best movies I´ve ever seen!

    Well I don´t know much about how and what others dream, but my dreams are always deeply connected with my local environment. For example, I can recognize my village, the surrounding hills and villages and also the larger towns, but more or less "altered". The hills are higher, the cities look different but also similar, the people I meet are different but also well-known, the streets are broader...hard to describe. Dreams are like a magic box, sometimes they are sad, sometimes they are funny but they´re always beautiful and have a message. I also meet deceased beloved family members in my dreams regularly. They continue to live in my dreams and it makes perfect sense to me while I´m dreaming. Two weeks ago, I went skiing with my family and my deceased grandmother in my dreams and it was magnificent. Indeed, it´s a heartening feeling: They´re not really dead. They life on in my heart and in my mind, therefore in my dreams.

    Dreams are among the best gifts we received when we were born. And they are the most personal and intimate experiences we can have.

    "Judge of your natural character by what you do in your dreams" - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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    I don't know about the waking state being not any different as the dreaming state, but i had some amazing lucid dreams in my life

    One time i dreamt i was in a forest. Usually my dreams are blurry (or at least: that is how i remember them), but this time i knew i was dreaming, so i decided to spend my time looking at as many details as i could. So i looked at the tree trunks and they were not smooth and abstract as you would think they would be, but detailed in a way i can't even describe. I saw éverything, not only the part i was focusing on. I looked above to the canopy above me and it was mindblowing... It was way more detailed than everything i ever saw in real life.

    I have taken magic mushrooms a couple of times and have seen at nature (trees, sunlight) while being in that state. In that state, i could see "everything" also, but still not nearly in such a divine way as in that dream.

    I don't believe in God, but i do believe there is a whole lot more than we know about.
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    Reality and dreams are similar in that that it is both a mind - game.

    Perception is very basic, for example the eye can only see colors. so when we 'see' a whole world with objects, people, animals andwhatnot it is what the mind made out of the 'perception'.

    Steiner explains that with a simple triangle. If you look at it what you only can see is color, the lines are already construction of the mind, the whole triangle is a mental concept, (unless you assume that those concepts are real and your mind is an organ of perception you are not able to 'see' triangles).

    So our reality is a sort of dream (or in reverse the dreams are real).

    Humans live in multiple worlds at the same time but block out all except the 'material'. (As we know through physics matter and energy are obviously the same).

    These other worlds come through when in the dream state or when one acquires the skill to see the everyday world as the dream it is.

    Often things come through anyway as omens, strange experiences, 'aliens', ghosts, elves, dwarfs and what not.

    When one puts ones attention on strange occurrences during ones life (or day if you like) then you can record those things.
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    Interesting Ocko!

    I don't believe in it like you, but i wish there is more than the "normal" known world.

    And about the perception of the eye and that it can only see colour:

    What if you see an unknown material, that has a rough surface. You see it has a rough surface, but your mind couldn't have known that it is beforehand and just make that assumption. It could have just as well assumed it was smooth. So i believe an eye can see more than just colour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by feisty goddess View Post
    They believe they are important for our emotional intelligence, mental proficiency, creativity to solve problems, and psychological well being in the least.
    I read once that dreams can help with emotional healing after trauma, and are important in overcoming fears and phobias. It certainly makes sense.

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    Steiner talks about 12 organ of perceptions, some are mental only. (He ridicules the method of modern science for looking first for a physical organ and then accept it as a perceptional organ. He said one should look into the consciousness first and see what appears there as a perception and distinguish it from other experiences in the consciousness)

    The mind is doing a pretty good job in constructing a coherent 'world'. A life-long training, moment by moment.

    I don't completly understand your example. But 'seeing' roughness is only possible through the matching of former experiences with the info coming from the eye. Past experiences of the 'formations' seen by the eye might have been correctly matched with what the eyes saw.

    seeing is a metaphysical process which has a material component through the electro-chemical occurrences in the brain and the eye. But the electro-chemical proccess are never transformed into the color I see. these processes end somewhere in the brain but are never transformed into the metaphysical thing like a color. Therefore the two processess run on two different levels, one is the electro-chemical level and one is the metaphysical level, the color.

    as human live a physical existence as well as a metaphysical there are repercussions between them and connections but they are not the same as such.

    One can train oneself to see 'more' but one has to break down the barriers which have been erected by (yes by who?) whoever constructed this behaviour.

    It is how one filles words/terms. That is how you see 'things' if you mind is trained that certain things do not exist, you will not see them. that is what science (based on jewish materialism spawned into western people through christianity) makes you believe. (they never falsified these beings so there is no scientific reason to believe they don't exist).

    Our far ancestors were able to perceive them because they were trained to do so through the lore, religious wisdom, through family member who 'saw' them and so on.

    To see them you need to reconstruct your belief-system. (I do not say you should replace it through phantasy).

    children see those beings easier because their brain is less corrupted.

    That means they have the perceptions and their brain can match those perceptions to knowledge from past lifes and then get the awareness of it.
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