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    Shooting High?

    Can anyone clear this up. We are sometimes told that people instinctually shoot higher than the targeted person because they have a naturel aversion to shooting a person.

    Or is it just the kick of the gun?

    I believe it's just the kick of the gun that makes it nessesary to be trained in aiming lower.

    Can some gun experts answer?

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    By the time the "kick" is delivered, the bullet is fully out of the barrel. As long as the crosshairs are centered on target when the trigger is squeezed you will hit said target. Missing is often due to anticipating the kick, when you tense and raise the gun because you aren't relaxed. I would say that most people would be afraid to shoot another person and perhaps subconsciously aim high. Training should consist of aiming directly at desired target, relaxing the upper body while maintaining a firm grip, exhaling when preparing to fire, and "stroking" the trigger. Do that and you should hit target
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    I assume most people come down from the high to the center target and shoot too early.

    My father, an old career soldier and veteran of the russian war, showed me to aim from the bottom up and wait until clear center.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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    Because my rifle is zeroed at 200m and when a target is closer I sometimes forget that and when I "aim" at their torso, I am actually aiming about two feet or so above it.
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    The kick of the gun will not affect precision, only target acquisition for subsequent shots, and if you try to compensate for it you will shoot low rather than high.

    Most humans seem to have a natural aversion against killing other humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    Most humans seem to have a natural aversion against killing other humans.
    I think that's it. I'm not sure if I could shoot someone, most probably not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Germaid View Post
    I think that's it. I'm not sure if I could shoot someone, most probably not.
    Actually you could, or rather: it would be easy to make you do it quite willingly. Generally you see that operators of crew serviced weapons such as machine guns and mortars are much more willing to shoot effectively at the enemy. Not killing would be to let your mates down, and that is apparently carries an even stronger disincentive than killing.

    So the trick would be to make you a machine gunner. Then you would be part of a crew consisting of at least a loader and a spotter/commander; the spotter would observe and call out targets and correct your fire. I also suspect that guilt would be diffused in a situation like that since the gunner feels that he is not acting entirely according to his own volition.

    This is why heavy machine guns, which basically took a whole squad to move and operate, turned out to be so enormously effective in WWI.

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    The military prepares you for the moment of your first kill.

    There is also a situational different person than the one right now occupying your body.

    Women are more connected with life-giving activities, men tend to be more the opposite. They have a destructive streak.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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    Shooting high.

    It's all about proper target acquisition, proper weapon control, and slowly squeezing the trigger set. Provided the weapon is properly sighted in. Remember, "Aim small-miss small". As for killing, it's nothing more than a "do or die" mindset. Which can be instilled through proper training. This applies to any weapon system, from small arms, to artillery, to CBRN.

    It gets a little more up close and personal when you have to move to using, bayonets, knives, machetes, and entrenching tools or rocks, sticks or your bare hands...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turin son of Hurin View Post
    Can anyone clear this up. We are sometimes told that people instinctually shoot higher than the targeted person because they have a naturel aversion to shooting a person.

    Or is it just the kick of the gun?

    I believe it's just the kick of the gun that makes it nessesary to be trained in aiming lower.

    Can some gun experts answer?
    I truly believe something it is something subconcious. I notice this even in airsoft which is similar to paintball, just with plastic bbs. Almost every new recruit can hit a target fine, but when they fire at other people they aim high. It takes some time before they shooting at people properly.

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