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    Am I the Only One That Believes in This?

    We are advocates of Decentralization. Smaller is better. Entirely too much power and far too much wealth rests in the hands of too few people. When in America alone, the top 1% own as much wealth as the bottom 95% percent combined -- (the greatest level of inequality among all rich nations), and furthermore, the richest 20 percent of Americans own an overwhelming 80 percent of our nations wealth, something is drastically wrong.

    http://www.folkandfaith.com/index2.shtml

    I agree with that small part but am having trouble finding a ideology that reflects that but is pro white at the same time...Small government but also where the government has health care for every citizen and helps the citizens buy a home once they are married and free education...I call it more of a Social Nationalist Libertarianism but not sure what best to call it or how to move it forward or if I am alone there.

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    One quick question if I may, how can Libertarianism, which advocates small decentralized government, reconcile with Nationalism, which advocates large centralized government?

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    That is part of my problem. Nationalism to me is just Whites standing up for each other and having a white country. I prefer a central government but a small one but I don't think it may be possible to do that with having the government taking care of health care and education for free etc...I prefer Libertarianism for the freedom to do as one wants as far its not taking it to far or harming others....no Drivers Licenses,SS cards,etc etc...I want the best of both worlds I suppose by having the government leave me alone in some parts but taking care of its citizens in another way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Rebel View Post
    ...I prefer Libertarianism for the freedom to do as one wants as far its not taking it to far or harming others....
    I really know this is off-topic, but this is a very small-minded notion of freedom. Or in Nietzschean terms: What deeper and higher purpose does your freedom serve? Freedom is not and can not be a purpose, it is only a means, a tool. And the purpose for us has to be:
    building up the strength and vigor of our people, staying in sync with our northern folk soul and striving for the survival and prosperity of our people.

    To do what one wants is lame. To do what is needed for this higher goal of our people and it's individual members (including yourself of course) is the best use of freedom and the highest form of personal fulfillment.


    I don't know what you have in your mind concerning the notion of freedom. Maybe (and probably) it's more than just this one sentence. But I come across such sentences and notions of freedom too many times.

    OK, I admit it. I just woke up and I haven't even started drinking my first coffee. But gradually my mood is improving as I write this

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    To do what one wants is lame. To do what is needed for this higher goal of our people and it's individual members (including yourself of course) is the best use of freedom and the highest form of personal fulfillment.
    I agree with this...

    Freedom is not and can not be a purpose, it is only a means, a tool.
    ...but not with this.

    If there's no freedom to do the "wrong" thing, there's no freedom at all to me. Freedom in the sense of "the freedom to do what you're supposed to do" is a classic abrahamic, moral absolutist concept. As you see, I would argue that freedom in itself is of value, not only the fruits that may or may not be reaped from it in the long term. I think I understand your concept of too much freedom and survival as a people as conflicting interests. I agree. Though, it's hard to determine, what "too much" freedom would be. Freedom and survival are both essential, and I wouldn't be willing to give up one for another. There simply has to be some kind of moderation.

    OK, I admit it. I just woke up and I haven't even started drinking my first coffee.
    Same here...I hope you're getting my point anyways

    On topic: I agree and actually have similar "problems", if you want to call it that. Combining views which are traditionally associated with the political left and such of the political right shouldn't be a taboo anymore. The strict, "frontal" thinking of a "right" fighting a "left" fraction should be long dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizard View Post
    One quick question if I may, how can Libertarianism, which advocates small decentralized government, reconcile with Nationalism, which advocates large centralized government?
    Does it? I don't see how.
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    i agree with you. So would hitler.

    Every in white preservation conforms to the bullshit that's dictated to us by the neo-nazis.

    thats politics. There's nothing wrong with socialism as long as it s national socialism.

    The modern right is far more responsible for our downfall than a few grubby leftists could ever be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtcrime View Post
    ...but not with this.

    If there's no freedom to do the "wrong" thing, there's no freedom at all to me. Freedom in the sense of "the freedom to do what you're supposed to do" is a classic abrahamic, moral absolutist concept. As you see, I would argue that freedom in itself is of value, not only the fruits that may or may not be reaped from it in the long term. I think I understand your concept of too much freedom and survival as a people as conflicting interests. I agree. Though, it's hard to determine, what "too much" freedom would be. Freedom and survival are both essential, and I wouldn't be willing to give up one for another. There simply has to be some kind of moderation.
    I understand what you are saying, and I actually agree with most of it.

    I was not argueing that freedom has no value, or that it only should be seen in a classic abrahamic way. Freedom is one of the most important tools to fulfill the higher purpose of people and of peoples. And also, like Hegel said: The Germanic spirit is the spirit of freedom. It's in our genes and folk soul.
    What I am arguing for is that freedom is a useless thing unless you put it to use for a higher purpose than living merely a life of comfort, consumption and entertainment. Historical and mythical figures such as Siegfried Volsung and Arminius the Cherusker used their spirit of freedom to face and make the difficult decisions in life and to fulfill a higher purpose.
    Now, not everyone is a Siegfried or Arminius, but on a personal level we can uphold those high standards. Facing life head on, and facing the sometimes difficult decisions in one's endeavours for (personal) higher goals, this freedom does not save us from poor judgement or even bad luck, but that isn't even a problem. We should have the spirit and the courage to lead a meaningful life, and freedom is one of the most important instruments we have. And in this sense I hold it dearly.

    This holy Germanic concept of Freedom should be kept out of the hands of lame asses and of Abrahamic slave-interpretations. And that's a difficult job.

    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtcrime View Post
    Same here...I hope you're getting my point anyways

    On topic: I agree and actually have similar "problems", if you want to call it that. Combining views which are traditionally associated with the political left and such of the political right shouldn't be a taboo anymore. The strict, "frontal" thinking of a "right" fighting a "left" fraction should be long dead.
    I guess I do.

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    I think the answer to the problem raised here lies in transcending the political dichotomy of left and right, which is forced upon us by the political establishment. They would have you believe that there is nothing but extremist idiots outside this left-right-scope. Our politicians, both left and right, see people as units of production, consumption and as units that keep money and taxes flowing. Leftists want to turn us into state-addicts and rightists want to turn us into money-mongers.

    There are more ways to bind and unite ethnically, culturally and historicaly connected regions, than through a US- or EU-kind of superstate. The most important instrument in my opinion is the chain of kinship. This chain goes from individual to family to community/region and finaly to northfolk. Within this chain we are all connected. But this does require that we are truly familiar with our northern identity. And the highest level of organization of our folk (some sort of state) has the obligation to make people more aware of this and to keep them aware.

    This bond of feeling connected is stronger than any legislation. And we should reinforce it through symbols and landmarks. This way we can have decentralized regions in which each region can use its own unique qualities. And at the same time express and incorporate that same chain of kinship.

    The task of a very lightweight state-like structure which binds the regions is to guard the awareness of the chain of kinship, and to mobilize people in case of an external threat. It should not rule through institutions and bureaucracy, but only through principles which lie at the core of our folk soul. Like Heimdal it stands guard to look for external threats. Like Odin it binds all, but also leaves all to walk their own path. And through shared principles and kinship they keep from drifting apart and stand together to solve difficult questions.

    The solution is not a combination of political aspects. The problem is politics. The answer lies outside of politics. At least, outside of all current politics.

    [PS: I'm not proposing a religious state, but Heimdal and Odin are great archetypes from our own soil.]

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    I'm not quite reconciled on this, but I have this feeling that socialism would be far better in a homogeneous state, merely because it would be free of racial/ethnic resentment. I say this, however, from an American/multicult perspective. I'm aware of, for example, "chavs" in the UK, who are supposedly known for welfare-dependency and are, as far as I know, quite resented by other White Brits.

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