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Thread: Vitamins; Helpful, Toxic, or Just a Waste of Money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sybren View Post
    I live close to the shore, but never really liked fish much.

    That's why i took some fish oil capsules every day for about a year, but i really did not notice any difference in how healthy i felt, so i stopped with those.

    Eating is somewhat problematic for me the last couple of years, due to having irritable bowel syndrome. I can get horrible pain cramps to the stomach for 10 hours straight, climaxing in sweating and eventually puking and then slowly feeling better. That doesn't happen often, but when it happened it was always after eating potatoes, other starchy food, or cabbage like vegetables. So i rejected those foods all from my diet and it got better. Didn't like potatoes much anyway and i'm more of a meat person. I regret that i cannot eat things like f.e. cauliflower and Dutch "stamppot boerenkool" (mashed potatoes with kale/borecole and smoked sausage) anymore, but everything better than those cramps

    I never ever get pains from eating meat and fat things. People are always warning that you shouldn't eat much of it, but i feel good eating them and afterwards. I feel stronger with it and can also think better after eating them, especially in the mornings with bacon/eggs. I still eat vegetables like carrots, peas, beans, lettuce, etc. So it's not like i don't get these anymore. As for fluids, i almost exclusively drink water. It's about the only thing i really feel healthy about drinking it. I don't trust all those Aspartame containing diet drinks and i don't need the sugar from regular drinks.

    Well, i'm going a bit offtopic there. I actually do take multivitamine pills, a habit i got from my mother. It's more because of the feeling that if i don't get something from regular food, i still have the pills... If it works or not? No idea.

    I think we should mostly eat what we're built for in nature: meat, fat and the occassional berries, and we will be fine. The last is something i still have to improve on though and i'm still looking for something to replace bread, because obviously bread just made us weaker and more prone to diseases, it's just that it is such damn handy food
    For men, a low carb diet is fine, but for women (esp ones like me who tend to have low blood pressure and sugar), its actually toxic. I feel terrible and shaky if I don't eat some whole wheat carbs every day, I'm convinced that I need it.

    Being "fine" still means you could be starved of nutrients, you may just end up have a shorter lifespan or not be as productive because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thusnelda View Post
    I´ve never used any dietary supplement products (like Vitamin or Magnesium pills) and I´m not missing anything, I´m actually really healthy.
    You may be healthy now, but if you have low levels of certain vitamins you may be placing yourself at unnecessarily high risk of a number of diseases later in life.

    In my own case, a genetic test showed that I am at high risk of macular degeneration or AMD (a form of blindness which develops in old age). The cause is traced to an inability to absorb B vitamins efficiently. I now take a special B vitamin supplement and eat a lot of B vitamin rich green vegetables/vegetable juice in order to counteract my pre-disposition.

    The point is I feel perfectly healthy and have no problem with my eyes, but AMD develops over many years, so feeling healthy now doesn't mean I'm not going to develop it eventually. How I act now may determine to a large extent my risk later in life.

    If I were you I'd at least have my Iron and vitamin D levels checked and then supplement with vitamins and/or certain foods if they are low. If you don't take fish oil/vitamin D or eat oily fish a couple of times a week then you probably have low Vitamin D levels, which would leave you at higher risk of everything from osteoporosis to certain cancers.
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    I have no faith whatsoever in conventional medicine.

    Ocko, I agree with you about fasting because I had doctors running round in circles for years trying to cure a health problem I had (yeast overgrowth, to be precise) and they only succeeded in making it far worse!

    I then went on a 3-day fast and got rid of all the rubbish in my body - it hasn't returned since! Mind you, I have to be careful what I eat and sugar is out, although I do have the occasional lapse.

    I think sugar is one of the biggest nutritional culprits of the modern age TBH, and any Internet search will tell you just how bad this stuff is. I'm sure it's implicated in many health issues, including cancer, but because the cause can often be attributed to something else it's hard to pin it down solely to sugar (a bit like the link between tobacco and lung cancer for all those decades, remember?)

    Limiting one's sugar intake is probably the single most important advice I could give. From my own experience of course, and it will naturally depend on the individual's tolerance, but there are so many benefits including such things as mental sharpness that I'm sure 90% of people would notice if they gave it up for any decent length of time.

    Amongst the pills I pop are a daily fish oil capsule plus zinc and vitamin C. I used to do loads more but realised it was becoming a bit obsessive and I couldn't fit in my normal meals around the pills any more No, it's definitely best not to fret about one's well-being too much because that in itself can kick off health problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    I have no faith whatsoever in conventional medicine.

    Ocko, I agree with you about fasting because I had doctors running round in circles for years trying to cure a health problem I had (yeast overgrowth, to be precise) and they only succeeded in making it far worse!

    I then went on a 3-day fast and got rid of all the rubbish in my body - it hasn't returned since! Mind you, I have to be careful what I eat and sugar is out, although I do have the occasional lapse.

    I think sugar is one of the biggest nutritional culprits of the modern age TBH, and any Internet search will tell you just how bad this stuff is. I'm sure it's implicated in many health issues, including cancer, but because the cause can often be attributed to something else it's hard to pin it down solely to sugar (a bit like the link between tobacco and lung cancer for all those decades, remember?)

    Limiting one's sugar intake is probably the single most important advice I could give. From my own experience of course, and it will naturally depend on the individual's tolerance, but there are so many benefits including such things as mental sharpness that I'm sure 90% of people would notice if they gave it up for any decent length of time.

    Amongst the pills I pop are a daily fish oil capsule plus zinc and vitamin C. I used to do loads more but realised it was becoming a bit obsessive and I couldn't fit in my normal meals around the pills any more No, it's definitely best not to fret about one's well-being too much because that in itself can kick off health problems.
    Me too, we have tons of skin problems in our family (some kind of recurring heat rash that is really severe), and all the doctors can tell us is to put Eucerin on it and stop going outside. I also get pretty ticked remembering being forced to take some antidepressants and some other psychotropic drug and when it wasn't having the effect he WANTED it to have at the tiny dose he claimed it would, he said that we had to up to dose and keep taking it until it worked. He changed his mind though when he saw that it was making me get very angry/hostile, out of it, and physically hyperactive, but he was really defensive and annoyed by it. He never gave me a chance to talk about what was bothering me and just insisted that I had a "chemical imbalance" but told my mother there was no diagnosis, yet he was making little notes like "bipolar type I" and "sociopathic" (haha so people are gang up on me at school and I'm the sociopath). I sensed that this was all wrong, and was of course rebelling against it, but I was forced to admit that I had been "manic" and my mother didn't even know about this. It turns out that I was simply malnourished because I wasn't eating properly, sleep deprived, and having some teen issues but he believed I needed to be on some drugs that damage good brain cells while they attempt to solve a problem that is simply from being sleep deprived and not eating correctly. I hate conventional medicine, and people who decide this yet take great care of themselves usually never need to visit doctors. A lot of healthcare practices are basically money making scams.
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    I don't eat organic veg for much of the year due to my reliance on canned or frozen during the winter but in the summer we eat it that way all the time.

    With the exception of packaged lunch meat and occasional pork or chicken from the store we only eat wild meat and fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog View Post
    I don't eat organic veg for much of the year due to my reliance on canned or frozen during the winter but in the summer we eat it that way all the time.

    With the exception of packaged lunch meat and occasional pork or chicken from the store we only eat wild meat and fish.
    I eat a lot of lunchmeat too, it keeps me full, honey turkey is so delicious.

    From what I've heard deer meat is really bad for you, but canned vegetables are good I'm sure.
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    How can deer meat be bad for you? It is lean, high in protein, organic, free-range, antibiotic and hormone-free, and non-irradiated. There isn't any better way to eat meat that I can think of!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog View Post
    How can deer meat be bad for you? It is lean, high in protein, organic, free-range, antibiotic and hormone-free, and non-irradiated. There isn't any better way to eat meat that I can think of!
    I think its just because its red meat, I dunno I just heard it was really bad.
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    Vitamins, and more specifically supplements, are very useful to those who know what they do. To the ignorant or misguided new age nutritionist, vitamins are near worthless.

    I see people using random supplements because it has nutrient-X in it but never stop to ask if they are deficient in nutrient-X or if they even need nutrient-X. One example is when people say something has antioxidants. How many people actually know what an antioxidant is? An antioxidant is any substance that inhibits oxidation and since all vitamins and minerals do, that this term is extremely vague and is thrown around by pill companies to sell their products. Another example of marketing terms is "patent pending", "proprietary blend" and "dual action". If you see any of these words on a supplement do not buy it. There's a lot of snake oil on the shelves; things that don't do anything at all but drain your money.

    Now for those who do their research I think supplements can work miracles. Often just taking the right combination can yield similar results to prescription medicine. The key is to never buy a supplement for the cover. Always read the key ingredients and do your own research on it.

    I recommend for average people to take a low-impact multivitamin and fish oil every day. For people who are physically active, take whey protein when you wake up and after every work out.

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    @ Godwinson

    I did a 6 weeks fast last year, after that I really felt clean. Actually I had some trouble to start eating again. Since then I really shun junkfood which I used a lot before.

    Fasting is a real good exercise. Drink a lot of water on that day to clean your internal organs like kidneys. That helps a lot.

    In autumn I will start fasting for a longer period again, though not 6 weeks as that is pretty long.

    I used maple tea to keep healthy and still drink it for its nutritional values, it replaced soda for me.
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