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    Robert Gates: "Future U.S., Post-WW2 Politicians Lack Interest in Funding 75% of NATO"

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13729751

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    Europe's tight fist at Nato irks America
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    US Defense Secretary Robert Gates speaks in Brussels, 10 June Robert Gates spoke at the Security and Defence agenda think tank

    It was to an audience in Brussels that the US Defense Secretary, Robert Gates, delivered his final major speech before he stands down. He told us it would be blunt and it was: Europe had to spend more on defence.

    He said the Nato operation in Libya had revealed serious shortcomings. Just 11 weeks into the operation - involving the mightiest military alliance in history - the allies revealed they were beginning to run short of munitions. Supplies had to be brought in from the US.

    Robert Gates said that since the fall of the Berlin Wall two decades ago America's share of Nato's spending had risen to 75%. He clearly does not think that is sustainable.

    Only four European countries are spending 2% of GDP on defence and they are France, the UK, Greece and Albania. The Americans have lobbied strongly against UK defence cuts. Even after 9/11, European defence spending declined by nearly 15% over the following decade.

    The defence secretary delivered a message to Europe that there was a new reality in Washington. There, too, there is pressure on the defence budget.

    "The blunt reality," he said, "is that there will be dwindling appetite and patience in the US Congress - and in the American body politic writ large - to expend increasingly precious funds on behalf of nations that are apparently unwilling to devote the necessary resources... in their own defence."
    New narrative

    He spoke about generational change. He said he was 20 years older than the current American president. He had grown up with memory of the post-war period and the Cold War.

    But he warned that future US political leaders - with different formative experiences - might "not consider the return on America's investment in Nato worth the cost".


    It was the starkest warning delivered by a US defence secretary: that America, in the future, may tire of helping out Europe in its own backyard.

    In both the US and in Europe, a new generation is coming to power for whom World War II is not the defining narrative.

    In the same way that further European integration cannot be built on the basis of the war, so too American politicians will not have the emotional and historical attachment to Europe that their predecessors had.

    If you want a strong Atlantic partnership, Robert Gates said, the "drift of the last 25 years can't continue".

    But despite such a warning, it is unlikely that Europeans will increase their defence budgets at a time of austerity.

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    Good, NATO is a tragedy. Many countries contribute in Americans war to make democrasy around the world, just to kiss USA's ass. They say it's our duty to help. It is not our duty, seeing as NATO is a DEFENCE league. What happens in the end is that the muslims get pissed off and commit terrorist attacks in our countries and that our own men die for some non-westerners who wouldnt give half a banana to help us out.

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    "The blunt reality," he said, "is that there will be dwindling appetite and patience in the US Congress - and in the American body politic writ large - to expend increasingly precious funds on behalf of nations that are apparently unwilling to devote the necessary resources... in their own defence."

    He said the Nato operation in Libya had revealed serious shortcomings. Just 11 weeks into the operation - involving the mightiest military alliance in history - the allies revealed they were beginning to run short of munitions.

    Did I miss something? Did Libya attack Europe so that she has to defend herself? I think not.

    Last time I checked the socalled "humanitarian rescue operation" that bombed half the country meanwhile has generated never ending streams of refugees (that Europe will be not allowed by the whining US to defend us against), NATO/Britain/France/US has bombed hospitals and civilian cities, NATO killed the innocent grandchildren of Gaddafi, and it was after all Britain and France who ATTACKED Libya in the first place - as planned at least since september 2010.

    This is not defense. We also dont defend Europe with attacking Libya, just like we never defended Europe's safety in Afghanistan. Quite the opposite.

    Does America not realise what a BS it talks?

    But yeah, cut the budget on NATO and give it the death kiss. Best thing that can happen to the world when this International Terror Commando is off the table!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hersir View Post
    Good, NATO is a tragedy. Many countries contribute in Americans war to make democrasy around the world, just to kiss USA's ass. They say it's our duty to help. It is not our duty, seeing as NATO is a DEFENCE league. What happens in the end is that the muslims get pissed off and commit terrorist attacks in our countries and that our own men die for some non-westerners who wouldnt give half a banana to help us out.
    I agree. NATO funding would be discontinued tomorrow if people under fifty years of age ran the U.S., which of course isn't the case yet, though eventually those people will run the country in approaching years, hence gates statement.



    I'm more than curious though and not in an anti-Europe way at all, I like Europe very much. When U.S.-NATO-funding is massively cut and the alliance becomes nothing more than a piece of paper, what are the modern-military-less West Europeans going to do exactly? Russia and it's publicly-masked, massive military budget will still be there with it's east-European interests still very much on it's mind, east Europe will be open to whatever Russia has in store for it then it would seem, and Western Europe will have a defense expenditure on level with Dubai judging by current Western European military expenditures.

    What then, in the modern Europeans mind, happens inside Europe politically and socially to deal with those realities? Is this the nationalist infusion Europe needs, the withdrawal of NATO (the U.S.) from it's lands? How will you deal with Russia when it invades and takes Ukraine? Georgia won't last five days. Poland might not even need to be taken as the Poles might have all suffered massive-violent-heart-attack-spasms by this point. JK I'm just having a little fun, but you get the drift, what exactly will this do to Europe and in what ways in you all's opinion?

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    NATO / USA are more militarised than ever.

    Militarised against what & who ... exactly? Whereas in the Cold War era they were happy to sit back and rot in their military bases they've become a very aggressive offensive alliance since the Soviet Union disappeared. Obviously since there's nothing stopping them from behaving in this fashion.

    Gates' speech is just empty rhetoric. NATO won't be disappearing, after all, they have more "humanitarian" and "defensive" work to do for ZOG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Did I miss something? Did Libya attack Europe so that she has to defend herself? I think not.

    Last time I checked the socalled "humanitarian rescue operation" that bombed half the country meanwhile has generated never ending streams of refugees (that Europe will be not allowed by the whining US to defend us against), NATO/Britain/France/US has bombed hospitals and civilian cities, NATO killed the innocent grandchildren of Gaddafi, and it was after all Britain and France who ATTACKED Libya in the first place - as planned at least since september 2010.

    This is not defense. We also dont defend Europe with attacking Libya, just like we never defended Europe's safety in Afghanistan. Quite the opposite.

    Does America not realise what a BS it talks?

    But yeah, cut the budget on NATO and give it the death kiss. Best thing that can happen to the world when this International Terror Commando is off the table!
    *Hugs you and hopes you don't get mad*

    Okay granted many of your claims are legitimate and heartfelt, but answer me this, where does the (and I like that wording) 'International Terror Commando' get his meals, lodging, political support, land for bases, regionally-gathered-state-intelligence-reports, and overall support from? It would seem there is a massive European conspiracy where European governments say and tell their people they are anti-war and that NATO is a defense force, then turn around and spoon-feed all of the above to the 'International Terror Commando' residing at the supposed European space and research base.

    I think you're right, NATO is bad for Europe. Europe isn't Europe and needs to find itself again. The EU is a poison for Europe that was created to weaken all individual European nations. It will crumble once NATO is no more. I think Europe will go through a radical reality check once the U.S. leaves as Russia begins directly dictating to it in economic-natural-gas-terrorism. I truly believe all these circumstances will reforge Europe into what it should be, in a good way, though perhaps to the great misfortune of some current East European political entities, though I think Germany will have time while Ukraine is being destroyed to re-militarize.

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    Man quit worrying about "Russian Natural Gas Terrorism" lol. It's already being taken care of! Why do you think EU + USA are busy raping Libya?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    Man quit worrying about "Russian Natural Gas Terrorism" lol. It's already being taken care of! Why do you think EU + USA are busy raping Libya?
    Yeah but that will all just be thrown right back up on the market as if nothing happened at all once commerce is reestablished with Libya. Russian oil/gas influence will still play an extremely dominant role to Europe just like before. It is inescapable and Germany knows this which is why it isn't involved in Libya to keep a smile on Russia's face so it will continue to happily supply the pipelines.

    The Libyan resource grab isn't even going according to plan, much to the fury of the West internally, as the rebels are incompetent and the EU still remains just as internally and externally in disagreement as ever before with the U.S. not wanting to commit to what was suppose to be the EU's unifying-element.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    Yeah but that will all just be thrown right back up on the market as if nothing happened at all once commerce is reestablished with Libya. Russian oil/gas influence will still play an extremely dominant role to Europe just like before. It is inescapable and Germany knows this which is why it isn't involved in Libya to keep a smile on Russia's face so it will continue to happily supply the pipelines.
    Hehe.... trust me, Russia is in the business to SELL GAS and to make money. It's not in the business to HALT EXPORTS. That is NOT how things work in Gazprom Land.

    The Jew Media falsely claims that this is what Russia does or plans to do but ever since the Soviet Union started gas deliveries to Europe in the 1970's (these deals originally involved the Italians) it NEVER interrupted supplies for political reasons and neither has Russia done so.

    What has happened in recent years is that a number of gas disputes between Russia and Ukraine flared up. (Scuse the pun). The reason for this is very simple.

    Some years ago there were disputed elections in Ukraine which were most likely won by Kremlin favourite Yanukovich, however, it was a close race and the George Soros camp led by Yuschenko and Timoshenko went ballistic and launched what's known today as "The Orange Revolution". They cried and protested about the result, the Western Media chimed in with the usual "freedom and democracy" nonsense and in the end, for whatever reason, the results of the election were reversed and the Orange Mafia were crowned the "winners".

    The "Orange" camp of Yuschenko and Timoshenko were US vassals & proxies. Even Yushenko's wife was an ex US State Department Employee. The US & Soros soon got to work poisoning relations between Ukraine and Russia, they started campaigns to force Ukraine into NATO, they started making unwelcome Naval port calls to the Crimea which has an enormous Russian population. The Russian-Ukrainians in the Crimea went nuts and stoned the "tourist" buses of US Naval personnel who were being driven around the area as if they were "invited guests".

    Obviously the Russian-Ukrainian locals knew exactly what kind of American "NATO Friends" these were. The Naval personnel themselves were obviously just stupid dupes who were sent in by their superiors and who without a doubt would have believed that they were somehow "welcome" in the region and "coming as friends". Military people aren't paid to think.

    To really turn up the juice and the fun levels, Soros, USA & the Orange mafia then decided to poison Russia's relations with Europe. How did they do this?

    Simple.

    Most of Russian gas exports to Europe crosses the Ukraine. That's how the system was designed to work during the Soviet era because after all, what did it matter that the pipelines crossed another Soviet Republic during the days of the happy USSR?

    Ukraine's USA controlled Orange Mafia Government invented a number of payment and price disputes for the gas it receives from Russia. For many years (under previous Ukrainian Govts) Russia had supplied them with heavily discounted gas in order to "keep them sweet" and "friendly" towards Russia.

    Once the hostile Orange Government in Ukraine came into power, Russia obviously decided that there's little mileage in subsidizing a hostile Ukraine's economy and started charging market rates. If I recall correctly it was actually Orange Ukraine which kicked off these events because they demanded higher "market related gas transit fees" for Russian gas going into Europe. Russia responded by AGREEING WITH UKRAINE that the "market should determine the prices" and promptly told Ukraine to start paying MARKET RATES for the gas it received from Russia instead of the heavily subsidized prices they had been getting it at since the Soviet Union collapsed.



    The US, ZOG & Ukrainians used this as an excuse to start price disputes with Russia. Ukraine refused to pay for their gas imports. The country is so broke and corrupt anyway that they probably couldn't have come up with the money even if they wanted to.

    Russia, upon non-payment for goods provided, terminated UKRAINE'S gas supply and of course continued to provide EUROPE's gas supply since after all, Europe was a loyal and valued customer of Russian gas. The only problem was, to get Russian gas to Europe it has to cross Ukrainian territory and the storage and pumping stations and pipelines in Ukraine are UNDER UKRAINIAN CONTROL.

    Therefore as soon as Russia cut off Ukraine's supply due to non-payment, Ukraine simply stole Europe's supply AND UKRAINE CUT OFF EUROPE'S GAS SUPPLY.

    The Jew Media spinned the story that "Russia was holding Europe to ransom" and "using energy terrorism against Europe" and "using energy as a weapon to threaten and blackmail Europe" but as usual with a Jew, when they say something you have to realise that it's probably the opposite which is true.

    And that concludes the reasons for the Russian / Ukrainian / European gas dramas of the last couple of years. Hope you've learned something. All this information exists on the Internet but don't expect to find it explained accurately or truthfully on CNN, FAUX or the BBC.


    The Libyan resource grab isn't even going according to plan, much to the fury of the West internally, as the rebels are incompetent and the EU still remains just as internally and externally in disagreement as ever before with the U.S. not wanting to commit to what was suppose to be the EU's unifying-element.
    Yes the "rebels" are incompetent and not very interested in fighting. After all, the only "rebels" are a handful of NATO and ZOG paid agitators. Most of the locals probably understand and realise that their country is under attack by NATO and that it's a Colonialist grab but there's little they can do about it.

    However, be that as it may, Libya is in trouble. NATO blockades their sea and air corridors, attacks it at will and exerts considerable influence over its neighbours. It's not going to be easy for them to withstand this onslaught, NATO / USA's massive theft of its financial assets and overseas investments and NATO's likely confiscation of much of its energy infrastructure.
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    http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs...2-769ec8209630

    NATO has published detailed information on the defense expenditures of its member nations for 2007. The figures underline the enormous differences in defense spending between the various nations.

    Probably the most telling figure is the defense expenditure as a percentage of each country's gross domestic product. NATO recommends that this should be at least 2%.

    Compared to this target, Belgium, Hungary and Luxembourg are absolutely at the bottom of the class, spending just 1.1%, 1.1% and 0.7%, respectively, of their GDP on defense.

    The country spends just 1.1% of its gross domestic product on defense, almost 50% below the figure recommended by NATO.

    Lithuania and Spain are not much better, with 1.2%.

    Canada, Denmark and Germany each spend just 1.3% on defense -- even though all three have a significant military presence in Afghanistan.

    Norway is next spending 1.4%, while the Netherlands and Portugal both spend 1.5% of their GDP.

    The Czech Republic, Estonia and Slovenia follow with 1.6%.

    1.7% is the figure achieved by Latvia and Slovakia.

    Italy is spending 1.8% while Poland and Romania are managing 1.9%.

    These are all NATO members that are not willing to spend the recommended 2% on defense.

    Only six NATO nations are meeting (in fact all of them exceeding) the norm. They are led by the U.S. who are spending 4.0% of their GDP on defense.

    The other big spenders (still in relative terms) are Greece (2.8%), Turkey (2.7%), France (2.4%), Bulgaria (2.3%) and the UK (2.3%).

    See our related post on what this really means in actual terms.
    America should stop subsidizing the military of NATO. We can't afford it anymore. Let them see to their own probelms.

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