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    Why Don't Germans Hunt Racoons?

    Gentlemen,

    "During the 30's Herman Goring imported Racoon to Germany". I read that somewhere and promptly forgot about it.
    I am an old Coon hunter who lives out in the woods alone and being of 25% German blood am have been studying German for the last five years. I went out working with a friend trimming trees and he told me "the next customer was a lady from Germany". We were dragging limbs from the back yard around to the truck and I needed a broom so I went up to this lady's glass sliding door and knocked. A lady came to the door and she knew I was with tree guy Danny and so opening the door, she stepped outside closing it behind her and was a little bit apprehensive about this guy who worked for the tree guy knocking on her door.
    She came up to me and I said in my best German:
    "entschuldigen Sie mich bitte, ich möchte einen Bessen bitte".
    The look on the ladies face was blank, just a blank stare. I made the motion of sweeping and repeated "einen Bessen bitte"? She shook her head like to clear it and walking to the garage asked if I had rather have a blower? I said that's about it for my German I wasn't sure about the word for broom, but yes a blower would be better and thanked her.
    Later I heard her talking to Danny and she told him my German wasn't perfect but she understood me. We were talking and the subject got around to Racoons. I mentioned that I had read Herman Goring had imported racoons to Germany from the U.S. during the 30's, and did they ever establish a breeding population over there?
    Now the ladies eyes became big and bright and she said:
    There are a million of them. I read about that just the other day. Everybody in Germany hates coon! I looked it up on the internet that night and there are 1,000,000 racoons in Germany. But at the time I said: 1,000,0000 coon huh, sounds like a fairly well established breeding population to me. What y'all need now is coon hounds! She laughed out loud and said oh, yeah, right, that's just what we need. You and Herman Goring would have really hit it off, coon hounds. Ha Ha.

    I told her that there are a million coon there now. Next year there will be 2,000,000 and the next year 4,000,000, then 8,000,000. You better get after those coon now! We are at the ground floor of a tremendous money making opportunity. You can get set up, over there, I can get set over here and I can send you 100 trained coon hounds and 1,000 puppies every year. We can raise them over here and soon it will be 1,000 trained hounds and 10,000 puppies yearly!

    The lady was laughing out loud and said: I can see it all now, I would be driving over a mountain at night and looking down over the woods I would see 100 lights. Every light would represent a drunk with a gun out looking for his dogs who are looking for coon. A gun in his right hand, a bottle of Jagermiester in his left and a light on his head... I told her: "don't forget about the bib overalls".
    She was roaring: bib overalls, bib overalls, yeah, a gun in his right and a bottle in his left a light on the top of his head and wearing bib overalls! Out staggering around in the woods running into trees! Ha Ha, You and Herman goring would have really gotten on well together. She was an accountant about 50 and a nice lady. We had a good laugh and finished our job so we left.

    But I have though about this for some time. The reason Herman Goring imported Racoon to Germany was to have something to hunt. I told my Vet of 35 years Dr. Menser about Herman Goring importing Coon to Germany in the 30's and his response: What the fxxx for?
    No one likes coon in Germany. There's not one person who feels any sympathy for them and doesn't want them all dead. So the question stands,

    Why don't Germans hunt Coon?

    They have them, hate them, coon are populating at a rapid rate. If they are not used for sport they will eat everything. Germany will look like the Shara desert! Coon hunting could be made into a national sport. There could be Olympic events about coon hunting. We could buy, tan and deal fur, sell guns, lights, dog supplies, Racoon coats could make a big come back!

    We could sell bottles of Jagermeister with pictures of hounds on the label, sell books, magazines, bib overalls, bring old Herman's vision of Germans hunting coon to fruition.
    Coon hunting is good exercise! It's fun too!
    You had better 'get after them coon' I said and she laughed at that to. But to Germans, I don't speak German that well. But lets 'git ignert and go Coon hunting'!


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    If Germany is anything like the UK it is because they are an urbanised society that has lost touch with its roots. In the UK hardly anyone hunts or fishes anymore. Most of it has been outlawed now too. Most of the people that hunt are farmers shooting rabbits and foxes.

    I came into England with Oak, Ash and Thorn, and when Oak, Ash and Thorn are gone I shall go too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feverfew View Post
    If Germany is anything like the UK it is because they are an urbanised society that has lost touch with its roots. In the UK hardly anyone hunts or fishes anymore. Most of it has been outlawed now too. Most of the people that hunt are farmers shooting rabbits and foxes.
    Feverfew,

    Thank you the answer, I knew that subconsciously,
    and the question was rhetorical but I just asked it just kinda for fun. You are right of course and a good answer it was. There's too many people in too small of a space. Germany has always been the most crowded part of Europe. And being an old coon hunter who lives out in the woods alone, I realize how lucky I am. And thank God for my blessings.


    Thanks again man...


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    The Hunting is a British thing! Traditionatly,the English (I don't know if it has been outlawed now) has a society of 'Man/ Horse and the Blood Hund! It's a sport over there a very big sport,hunting the Fox. When I think of hunting,I think of Britain and her commonwealth countires and America; but I do not assscoiate Germany with hunting!

    What it comes down too-

    Tradition for many years and centuries! Tradition for many years and centuries,a very old country enrich with hunting culture! Britian had both! Past it on to her British empire and the ex empire country, America.

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    I don't think marksmanship and hunting are entirely dead in Germany, it's just a very urbanised country, so fewer people have the opportunity to actually do it just as someone had previously said. Obviously hunting was a part of every culture historically, though its importance decreases with agriculture and the loss of places to actually hunt.

    Apparently Germany is one of the most armed civilian nations in the world though, by total number of guns.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6083082.ece

    There are more than 15,000 gun clubs in Germany with around 1.5 million members, not to mention the legions of hobby hunters. There are roughly 10 million legally-held guns and perhaps double that in unregistered weapons, making it the fourth-largest civilian firearm-holding nation in the world behind the US, India and China, according to the Geneva-based Small Arms Survey.
    I couldn't personally tell you though, as although I've spent a decent amount of time in Germany none of it has involved guns or any kind of weapons (and I only ever saw policemen with guns).

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    Hello Sportsmen and hunters!

    Being hunter and gunmaker myself for 32 years now I've read the thread with much interest why Germans don't hunt coons.

    There have been some historical inaccuracies in it:

    Hermann Göring was entitled "Reichs-Jägermeister" (Imperial Head of Hunting) and we owe him one of the best hunting laws worldwide leading to the often not believed fact that Germany has more game per km² than any other country in the world. This was arranged by forcing German hunters to own/hire the ground they are hunting on since 1936. This law was widely adopted by many european countries like Austria, The Netherlands, flamish part of Belgium, Luxemburg, Poland, Czech Rep., Slowenia Slowakia, German cantons of Switzerland.

    Hermann Göring never imported coons because they do not belong to the local biosphere like White Swans and the American Squirrel. In fact, the coons escaped an fur-farm near the Lake Eder in Hessia near the town of Kassel 1935 with 76 species only. Out of these few developed a population of about 1,5 million that is widespread nearly about the entire German State and is invading Poland, Czech Rep. and Austria at the moment.

    There are about 360.000 hunters in Germany who are shooting about 1,7 mio. Roarbuck, 80.000 Red Deer, 530.000 Dama Dama (also not from here but from Mongolia, like the White Swans) and about 3,5 mio. Wildboar per year as well as about 4 mio. Foxes and cats (each).

    The hunting problem with the coons is that they are only active during the night and the German Hunting Law prohibits
    1. to hunt at night (1 hour before dawn and after sunset)
    2. the use of lamps/light
    3. the use of night-vision-goggles
    4. the use of infrared means-of-vision

    Thus you may now understand how difficult it is for a German hunter to down a racoon. On my personal record there are only 17 during the last 5 years plus only 3 Marderhunde (or Enok [Nyctereutes procyonoides]) just invading Western Europe from Russia.

    Best regards and "Waidmannsheil",

    Pless
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pless View Post

    The hunting problem with the coons is that they are only active during the night and the German Hunting Law prohibits
    1. to hunt at night (1 hour before dawn and after sunset)
    2. the use of lamps/light
    3. the use of night-vision-goggles
    4. the use of infrared means-of-vision

    Thus you may now understand how difficult it is for a German hunter to down a racoon. On my personal record there are only 17 during the last 5 years plus only 3 Marderhunde (or Enok [Nyctereutes procyonoides]) just invading Western Europe from Russia.

    Best regards and "Waidmannsheil",

    Pless

    Is it legal in Germany to trap racoons? This might be an effective means to stop the little invaders.

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    Hello Slivers!

    Although the German Hunting Permit (Jagdschein) is very difficult to obtain ( 9 month of training both theoretically and practically with shooting training both rifle and shotgun on clay targets, about 1800.- €uros).
    You need to have an additional permission to hunt game with traps (Training 3 weeks, 200.- €uros extra) so many hunters do not use traps on the more the traps are to be inspected every two years by the municipal authorities in my federal land Northrhine-Westfalia ( 3.- € per trap). If you are caught using traps without the permit you are sentenced for poaching.

    If you want to reload your cartridges you do need separate permits to obtain smokeless- and/or blackpowder separately (2 weekends, about 250.- €uros extra). This has to be renewed every 5 years.

    Additionally every hunter in Germany is charged with 50.-€ "hunting-deduction" plus 80.-€ "hunting-tax" per year.

    Hunting is a very expensive pasttime in Germany.

    With a loud "Horrido" from

    Pless

    who just payed another 90.-€ for a "European Firearms-Passport" without which you cannot take your arms abroad outside the European Community.
    I didn't account for the four separate safes/strongboxes for longarms/ handguns/ ammo/ powder mandatory over here bolted to the wall.
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