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Thread: The Great Winners: The Extent of German Influence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilderinc View Post
    It hasn't shifted, it's just expanding on how German pilots are great winners in their field.

    Thanks for mentioning Immelmann, I can't believe I forgot about him.
    No charge my Germanic brother Hilderinc.

    One cannot discuss the topic of aerial dogfighting history, techniques and tactics without mentioning Immelmann, who, incidentally is directly responsible for the success of one well-known, WWI German pilot ace - Rittmeister Manfred Albrecht Freiherr von Richthofen - the deadly "Red Baron", who was a devoted student of Immelmann and employed his tactics regularly accounting for his 80 confirmed "kills."

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    I'm confused by the emphasis on Nazi pilots in relation to the greatness of the German people. Surely when I think of greatness, Physics and other sciences come to my mind before anything related to the Nazi party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagalaz View Post
    I'm confused by the emphasis on Nazi pilots in relation to the greatness of the German people. Surely when I think of greatness, Physics and other sciences come to my mind before anything related to the Nazi party.
    The pilots I mentioned were not Nazis, Hagalaz.

    At the time these men were making history, Hitler was a lowly corporal serving as a messenger in the Imperial German army.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagalaz View Post
    I'm confused by the emphasis on Nazi pilots in relation to the greatness of the German people. Surely when I think of greatness, Physics and other sciences come to my mind before anything related to the Nazi party.
    Germany was/is a pioneer in aviation. The top 100 aces are ≈99% German. I guess I kind of went off on a slight tangent when I got deeply involved in flight-related things.

    You are correct that one may not immediately think of WWII or aviation when one thinks of Germany or their greatness, but Germans are certainly 'great winners' in that field. Other nations have also produced great physicists, scientists, mathematicians, etc. (although the number of them Germany produced is superior to the others), but no other nation holds such a position in aviation as does that of Germany.

    Nothing I mentioned so far is has an emphasis on National Socialism, by the way.

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    Apropos German aviation, no other country contributed as much to the development of dirigibles. And while we are discussing types of combat in which Germany excelled beyond what has been achieved by other nations, I think we should also give a quick nod to submarine warfare.
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