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    All illegal drugs are available for a price. Drug laws have just inflated the cost of recreation drugs & created dangerous criminal syndicates. Not to mentioned all of the laws that enfringe upon the rights of non-drug users in the name of combatting crime. I say legalize & let the scum of society OD.

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    Where did those celebrities study pharmacology? I can sleep soundly at night knowing such great minds are advising our government.

    I'm sure Dame Judi Dench is also an expert on how unfair society is toward the black kids in her 'hood.

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    HokM wrote:
    Yeah, so companies like Philip Morris don't exist because cigarettes are legal?
    I think those are intelligent comments but I don't follow comparisons that buisnessmen are the same as gangsters. Noone broke someone's arm to get them to smoke or anything.

    Also, are all tobacco companies exactly like Philip Morris?

    Take beer: one can buy a beer from AB or Coors or can brew your own. There are many beers to choose from and no one except the government interfers with the manufacture, marketing, and consumption of beer.

    Alcohol consuption has had the potential for causing problems since it was first invented. But the largest problem of crime stems from prohibition.

    If cigarettes were made illegal, you would have the same result:
    a blackmarket controlled by violent gangs of criminals and jails full of people who violate the prohibition by possessing, selling, or transporting cigarettes.

    While they don't go down the street shooting people, they do make a LOT of money killing people slowly, causing health problems and creating high medical costs for society and individuals.
    Unless they are stealing from people to get the money I don't care. High medical costs shouldn't be paid for by society, so that is the problem with that.

    People should be self-educated about any product they wish to purchase, including tobacco. It is their life, their health, and their money.

    Propatrioten,

    you make good points also but I take the following into consideration:
    1) Drug prohibition has not stopped people from using drugs, nor will it.
    2) Drug prohibition has created powerful drug cartels who also involve themselves in extortion, corruption, murder, human-trafficking, and the sex-trade.
    3) Drug prohibition has made imprisioned of a large numbers of people who then learned to be violent and dangerous from prison life. Many of these people were no threat to anyone other than themselves.
    4) Drug prohibition has cost billions of dollars to enforce without delivering the "drug-free" society law enforcement promised, nor will it.
    5) Drug prohibition has lead to the police to adopt more draconian tacticts and a paramilitary attitude.
    6) Drug prohibition has played a role in US foriegn policy/aid where the US allows the Taliban to produce opium which is sold in Europe just as they allowed the Contras to smuggle cocaine. This grants a military-enforced monopoly to special friends of the US for the privilage of smuggling drugs.

    I think an end to prohibition will also put a stop to some of these problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog View Post
    1) Drug prohibition has not stopped people from using drugs, nor will it.
    2) Drug prohibition has created powerful drug cartels who also involve themselves in extortion, corruption, murder, human-trafficking, and the sex-trade.
    3) Drug prohibition has made imprisioned of a large numbers of people who then learned to be violent and dangerous from prison life. Many of these people were no threat to anyone other than themselves.
    4) Drug prohibition has cost billions of dollars to enforce without delivering the "drug-free" society law enforcement promised, nor will it.
    5) Drug prohibition has lead to the police to adopt more draconian tacticts and a paramilitary attitude.
    6) Drug prohibition has played a role in US foriegn policy/aid where the US allows the Taliban to produce opium which is sold in Europe just as they allowed the Contras to smuggle cocaine. This grants a military-enforced monopoly to special friends of the US for the privilage of smuggling drugs.

    I think an end to prohibition will also put a stop to some of these problems.
    A drug free society is a nice slogan, but it's not a realistic goal. Just as a crime free society isn't. This does not mean however that society should cave in and stop enforcing our laws, or that this enforcement is pointless. The organized drug trade, much like other organized crime is a business run by various minority groups. During prohibition in the US you had the Jews, the Italians, the Irish.

    In Sweden we now have the albanians, the arabs, the russians (jews) etc. The organized crime that Sweden had before these groups settled down on Swedish soil was amateurish to say the least. With immigration and multiculturalism comes also organized crime. Societies within the society where it is possible for a different set of laws to operate, curtesy of a criminal gang protected by, and hidden amongst, their ethnic group. When Sweden was still Swedish the cops knew who was up to no good, they stuck out like a sore thumb from the rest of society. Today we got entire city blocks filled with dark masses that look the same, who is a criminal and who isn't? The jews, the italians, the irish, they could all hide amongst their own in ethnic enclaves in America.

    I view the struggle against narcotics as tied in with the struggle against immigration and multiculturalism. If we lose the struggle against immigration it will become increasingly difficult to wage the struggle against narcotics. This is not to say that it does not serve a purpose, or that things couldn't, or wouldn't, get a whole lot worse if we didn't.

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    I am in favour of decriminalisation of most recreational drugs.

    I think that the war on drugs is used to allow the state to intrude in peoples lives.

    So much money is spent on police etc, if it was decriminalised they half the cops could be paid off.

    And it would be so much more difficult for the cops to justify strip searching so many people.

    The blacks will still be in prison because they steal and beat up women.

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    Congress’ Drug Waltz

    Here is an example of how drugs are actually moved. Later on the high level drug trafficker Lopez is found not guilty by a judge.
    In Lopez the Court reversed the conviction of Mr. Lopez who was convicted of a conspiracy to possess, with the intent to distribute, cocaine. Mr. Lopez and his colleagues were assisting Prince Nayef bin Fawwaz al-Shaalan, the son-in-law of the Saudi Vice Minister of Defense (who is the brother of the former king of Saudi Arabia) by coordinating the purchase of cocaine. Two tons of cocaine were purchased in Colombia and transported on a plane owned by the Saudi royal family to Europe where all but 840 grams was distributed. (The Prince is a wealthy member of the royal Saudi family who owns oil interests in Colombia and Venezuela and the court does not explain why he was selling cocaine.) -by CHRISTOPHER BRAUCHLI
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/...ss-drug-waltz/

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    Singapore to Give Drug Smuggler with British Citizenship a Caning


    Singapore insisted Tuesday it would still cane a British man convicted of drug smuggling despite a plea from London not to proceed with the punishment.


    Yuen Ye Ming was sentenced by a Singapore court last year to 20 years in jail and 24 strokes of the cane after he was convicted of drug-related offences, including trafficking, consumption and possession. Flogging with a rattan cane, a legacy of British colonial rule, is a common punishment in Singapore and the city-state rarely backs down in applying the law.

    Yuen was first arrested in August 2016 for drug-related offences and was convicted last year but released on bail pending sentencing, Singapore’s interior ministry said. While out on bail, he was arrested again for similar narcotics offences, the ministry said.

    British Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt had asked his Singaporean counterpart during a visit to the city-state this month that Yuen be spared caning, a spokesman for Britain’s foreign ministry said. “We strongly oppose the use of corporal punishment, such as caning, in all cases,” the spokesman said.

    The Foreign Secretary personally raised this with the Singaporean Minister for Foreign Affairs earlier this month. But Singapore insisted the punishment would be carried out. “Yuen committed the crimes while he was in Singapore, and must bear the consequences of his actions in accordance with our laws,” the interior ministry said.

    While caning dates back to colonial rule, Britain abolished it as a punishment for criminals decades ago. Singapore has in the past rejected allegations from rights groups likening caning to torture. In 2015, two young German men were sentenced to caning and jail time for vandalising a metro train. Swiss national Oliver Fricker was also sentenced to caning and jail time in 2010 for vandalising a metro train.


    Singapore to Give Drug Smuggler with British Citizenship a Caning
    15 Jan 2019.
    Why do these former colonial countries still retain caning? Because it works.

    In Singapore possession, of even a small amount of grass, merited the death penalty. Singapore could have legally hanged him.

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