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    Your Thoughts on Necromancy?

    I was reading a book the other day (Skulduggery Pleasant, to be exact, hehe ) and the topic of Necromancy was mentioned. I'd heard of it before, but never really knew what it was all about.
    So I read up some more on the subject, and found it to be quite interesting.
    The whole history behind it, what it's all about, I found it really fascinating.

    I want to know the opinions of the people here on Skadi.
    What are your views on Necromancy? Is it good or bad in your eyes?

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    It's as good as christianity.

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    It works
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    Necromancy is basically shamanism, and Oden has all the aspects and attributes of a shaman; for starters he rides a horse with eight legs/hoofs to the underworld. That is about as shamanistic as it gets.

    So, necromancy and shamanism had a profound importance for our Heathen ancestors.

    Interestingly, in Norse legend Seid (Norse shamanism) was always considered a female art, and it was also something that Oden, with the other Aesir, had learned from Freja, the great goddess. You should also note that shamanistic practices, when practised by males, have always had a transgendered aspect to them.

    You might find Shamanism by Mircea Eliade interesting. Jenny Blain has written a seemingly promising book called Nine Worlds of Seid-Magic: Ecstasy and Neo-Shamanism in North European Paganism, but since it is on my to-read list I really cannot vouch for it.
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    Necromancy, before modern influence altered what it meant, is a form of divination that involves consorting with the dead. Greece I believe it was popularized the term and the practice in antiquity (though a quick wiki search can clarify that but I don't want to be a walking wiki link today ).

    In folk magic there are some records of people raising the dead as servants but naturally such people were seen and untrustworthy and dangerous by their neighbors. All forms of magic can be seen as tools much like a shovel or a screwdriver. It's the persons intentions and the end outcome that determine if something is right or wrong. In regards to disturbing someone's remains however it could raise some moral or ethical issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    Interestingly, in Norse legend Seid (Norse shamanism) was always considered a female art [...] You should also not that shamanistic practices, when practised by males, have always had a transgendered aspect to them.
    Seidh was, amongst humans, restricted to women, but this need not mean that something akin cannot be practiced by men. It is of course true that women will have clear advantages, and that some of the qualities associated are typically feminine.

    I recall a good post by Ocko once where he stated that whilst this intuitive retelling is feminine in nature, that a man needn't be ergi to be a practitioner of Seidh or another type of shamanism. You can read the post here, very insightful.

    In either instance, being at a reasonably level of spiritual awareness helps. Actual Seidh can be technically practiced by a male (though he should adapt an own form) without going effeminate, but the lower the level of spiritual awareness, the higher the danger of developing effeminate traits.

    A book I found to be insightful (and certainly untainted by his otherwise New-Age predicament) into Seidh-work and other shamanic practices would be Seidways by Jan Fries; also since it allows for different levels of expertise to enjoy the techniques and insights gained.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    I thought men practiced runes instead of Seid?
    Aren't runes different than Seid?

    I think Odin obtained his necromantic spells from the runes he discovered during his self sacrifice hanging from the world tree yggdrasil.

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    Yes I am an odinist.
    However I dont practice newage asatru or go to parks a do rituals or anything like that.

    Rather I read a lot about Odin and the eddas and the haritage of our people.

    Perhaps I should read more sagas as they have lots of info about norse magic.
    It would be interesting to learn more about skin changers ,runes and things like that in norse lore.

    I think Odin does use runes for Necromancy as it says here in the rune poem section of the havamal- "Hávamál
    156.
    A twelfth I know: if I see in a tree
    a corpse from a halter hanging,
    such spells I write, and paint in runes,
    that the being descends and speaks"

    (In my opinion) As for lokasenna, I think any poem where the gods sit around and talk like some kind of greek play would probably have a bunch of christian corruptions in it.
    (There's a lot of norse mythology in the eddas and sagas, It's just that one must take some of them with a grain of salt because of all the christian corruptions.)

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