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Thread: Feminist Germaine Greer: Kill Your Dogs

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    Quote Originally Posted by vordringende View Post
    I'm sorry but that resonates with the same sentiment with the same contempt for victims we hear from the black and immigrant communities regarding the prosecution of black and immigrant offenders "on no evidence" beyond the testimonies of their victims. I'm no feminist but neither do I respect men or women quick to play the part of apologist for alleged offenders nor sympathise with alleged offenders until they're proven innocent.
    What? "Innocent until proven guilty" is the cornerstone of constitutional US law. Nothing in the legal system is more important than ensuring the innocent aren't wrongly convicted, and it was white men of founding stock who drew up those rules, not blacks or "immigrants." Blacks and immigrants are the opposite. They have a lynch now, ask questions later approach to law and justice, as we all saw with Zimmerman. I could make a false accusation against you. I could go to the police and say "vordringende came at me with a knife and murdered my dog, whose existence I have no record" and you'd agree with the police saying, "Yup, you're probably right. Let's sentence him here and now"? Absurdity.

    The hyper-liberal rhetoric that underpins sympathising with alleged perpetrators sympathising with alleged criminals of all stripes epitomises much of what is wrong with the world.
    No, retarded lynch mobs are distinctly worse. What percentage of the witches burned at the stake on *cough* minimal evidence actually were guilty of witchcraft? None, obviously.

    Do you similarly demand that alleged paedophiles be granted this special treatment
    Yes, I have no problem with people who are alleged pedophiles but in actuality aren't pedophiles. Why do you?

    or is this nothing more than an irrational and immature tirade against feminism even if that means sounding like a liberal fool or the spokesman for your local black or immigrant community?
    Riiiiight. Defending the constitution and the foundation of justice is "immature leftism."

    By all means hate feminism but don't let your hatred cloud your capacity to think and never let it colour your politics and principles enough to make your behaviour anything but noble.
    I'm pretty sure I'd believe in innocent until proven guilty whether feminism existed or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gustaaf View Post
    What? "Innocent until proven guilty" is the cornerstone of constitutional US law.
    Give me a straight answer... every time some liberal or some spokesperson for the black or immigrant community is on the television telling people not to jump to conclusions about an alleged sex offender from one of their respective communities do you likewise reach for your facsimile copy of your country's constitution and say they're right or join the rest of us in believing said liberals and said spokespeople are behaving deplorably?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gustaaf View Post
    Riiiiight. Defending the constitution and the foundation of justice is "immature leftism."
    The constitutional fundamentalism of say the American Civil Liberties Union isn't "immature leftism" at its worst at its most unconscionable? Your beloved constitution has been used to defend a homosexual paedophile ogranisation's "right" to produce a manual for its members instructing them in the grooming of underage boys... so how is American civilisation working out for you given that your country is perhaps the most pornographied the most decadent cesspool in the developed world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vordringende View Post
    Give me a straight answer... every time some liberal or some spokesperson for the black or immigrant community is on the television telling people not to jump to conclusions about an alleged sex offender from one of their respective communities do you likewise reach for your facsimile copy of your country's constitution and say they're right or join the rest of us in believing said liberals and said spokespeople are behaving deplorably?
    Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean you claim that a person in no way could possibly have committed a crime and that he should definitely be found to be innocent in a court of law. It means that until the facts have been reviewed by those socially deemed fit to arbitrate such a matter, a man should not be treated as though he had committed the crime [beyond basic pre-trial detention].

    As I experience it, intelligent white people tend to say, "This man may be guilty or he may be innocent." Minorities say, "This man is guilty" or "This man is innocent" based on personal [and racial] biases.

    The constitutional fundamentalism of say the American Civil Liberties Union isn't "immature leftism" at its worst at its most unconscionable?
    Correct.

    Your beloved constitution has been used to defend a homosexual paedophile ogranisation's "right" to produce a manual for its members instructing them in the grooming of underage boys... so how is American civilisation working out for you given that your country is perhaps the most pornographied the most decadent cesspool in the developed world?
    A bit off topic, but we have many more political freedoms than Europe has. How's going to prison for denying the holocaust working out for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gustaaf View Post
    Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean you claim that a person in no way could possibly have committed a crime and that he should definitely be found to be innocent in a court of law. It means that until the facts have been reviewed by those socially deemed fit to arbitrate such a matter, a man should not be treated as though he had committed the crime [beyond basic pre-trial detention].

    As I experience it, intelligent white people tend to say, "This man may be guilty or he may be innocent." Minorities say, "This man is guilty" or "This man is innocent" based on personal [and racial] biases.
    Do you often neglect to respond to the actual question put forward to avoid showing that you are either wrong or perhaps a hypocrite? I'm not asking you to explain to me the dynamics of "innocent until proven guilty" I'm asking for your honest reaction to liberals and spokespeople for black and immigrant communities demanding we give the benefit of the doubt to alleged black or immigrant offenders.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gustaaf View Post
    Correct.
    American Civil Liberties Union lawyers represented the National Man-Boy Love Association using the constitution to protect their right to teach paedophilies how to groom underage boys and this isn't leftism at its worst at its most unconscionable? So the homosexual agenda is only leftism gone mad when you're talking about academia talking about statistics that discredit the delusions of your church for example and as long as the discussion doesn't dent your constitutional fundamentalist pride?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gustaaf View Post

    A bit off topic, but we have many more political freedoms than Europe has. How's going to prison for denying the holocaust working out for you?
    And you have many more social freedoms which is why your country is the bedrock of pornography of degenerate music videos and of other trash so what's your point exactly? In England I can say what I please and likewise during my tenure here in Japan. Comparing some nation states in Europe to the United States is about as fallacious as just about every other argument you've erected.

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    Flowers!!! Dear me...my dogs kill rabbits and all manner of small critters.

    I hope she doesn't find out *sarcasm.

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    First we must Kill all the men, now we must kill all the Dogs.

    Maybe we can work a compromise an just kill all the male dogs.

    Then we can Teach fish to ride bicycles and the world will be perfect.
    LOL!

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    Feminists fight for women's rights but they have no idea that men and animals actually have rights too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heidixx View Post
    Feminists fight for women's rights but they have no idea that men and animals actually have rights too!
    This is usually the case with people fighting for "X" or "Y" rights, they become so obsessed with their cause that they totally disregard the rights of other groups. The various oppressed groups tend to become much worse than their oppressors.
    But in the case of this woman, I think she's completely bonkers, on top of that

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    Next she will be saying man's best friend is an accomplice in the evil white male patriarchy

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    A dog's home in keysbourgh (suburb so close to mine) was attacked by fire arson's. The reason why? because the new residents do not want to live near a dog's home. The shelter is fighting for it's rights to stay. Dogs and animals have enough problems with out feminists making it more hard for the little critters.

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