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    Quote Originally Posted by fnpdocgrrl View Post
    My apologies if this post repeats any previous post ahead of time. I am new here so please bear with me.

    I've always thought of Celtic and Germanic culture to be, from an ethnic standpoint, very similar.

    For example, I am a 100% admixture of Celtic and Germanic. Because my heritage includes every country from the British Isles, as well as Germany, Holland, and France....it would seem to me that I can't really separate the Germanic side of me from the Celtic side!! Basically, I see myself as 100% Germanic overall....am I wrong?
    In my opinion you are wrong for several reasons. Firstly, as someone has already said, Germanic is actually a linguistic term for the most part, originally spoken by various small groups of genetically related people, but this doesn't have to be the case today. From what I've seen, people's genetic similarity (as far as indigineous population is concerned) is more related to geographic proximty than language.

    Another note is that the Celts were at one point wide spread in Europe, as far as Turkey. I don't know if you would consider these people Celtic today.


    As far as Celtic and Germanic being the same thing that's wrong too. From a linguistic perspective, Celtic and Italic languages share features that suggest they were either descended from the same branch of proto-indo-european (not the same one as Germanic) or that they were in proximity to eachother and retained similar features. The same is the case for Germanic and Balto-Slavic languages. The languages are very different, and consider the sentence structure in Irish: verb subject object. Very foreign. Although the cultures in the remaining Celtic nations are probably pretty similar to the major countries near them (they are all peripheral areas. Ireland/Wales/Man etc. to England, Brittany to France, Galicia to the rest of Iberia). I think it was probably always the case that they were similar to their neighbours.

    Finally, being French doesn't necessarily mean you are "celtic" or "germanic" tracing from that ancestor. Depending on where your ancestor came from and where their ancestors came from, they could have had Arab, Roman, Greek, Spanish, Basque, or whatever else ancestors in addition to Celtic and Germanic ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fnpdocgrrl View Post
    Is this directed at me?
    it was a comment in general. MY point is you can not separate germanics and celts ethnically. they are hard to distinguish on the basis on anthropology, genetically one can, but that can be argued on micro scales too.

    Celtic and Germanic are cultural and linguistic spheres. Germanic is linguistically unique among Proto-indo-european. There is a belief that German could be a pidgin of PIE and the native language people spoke back then.

    Hence you have many philologists regarding the germanic languages and the evolution. Like Grimm's law, Verner's law, and Holtzmann's law. The gemanic Substrate hypothesis is intriguing, and believable.

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    Actually there were two types of Celts.The orginal Iron age Celts lived in Austria and Switzerland during Iron age or before and spread to other countries and were racially similiar to Germanic peoples of the Germany and other Germanic countries,orginal Slavs,Finnic peoples etc.Another type of Celts were the duplicate Celts who were living in Great Britain who adopted the Celtic culture,language but basically they were of the meditarranean stock.Present English are partly of meditarranean blood like the Irish,Welsh.

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    Sorry not on topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fnpdocgrrl View Post
    The two cultures have similar myths and art. Celts and Germanics LOOK almost identical to me....
    Of course they do. If you look at this article:

    http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/...l.pgen.0040004

    you will see that the Irish and the Scandinavians and the English cluster together. From this analysis, you could not really distinguish a Swede, a Dutchman and an Irishman genetically. What we see here is really tight Western European cluster, including both Celts and Germanics, and a somewhat looser Mediterranean one.

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    Thank you all. These replies are very helpful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    Of course they do. If you look at this article:

    http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/...l.pgen.0040004

    you will see that the Irish and the Scandinavians and the English cluster together. From this analysis, you could not really distinguish a Swede, a Dutchman and an Irishman genetically. What we see here is really tight Western European cluster, including both Celts and Germanics, and a somewhat looser Mediterranean one.
    There are Celtic, Irish and English genes in England but they are not necessarily melded into one block. The Irish and English gene maps overlap because there are a lot of Irish economic immigrants in England and a lot of Germanic migrants in Ireland, not because the English and the Irish, or their mixed offspring, have the same genetic makeup.

    Social factors prevent intermixing. I once dated a a girl for years who I pursued, in my naivety, because she looked as saxon as I do. Her mother did too and I got on with her mother, but her father never accepted me, banned me from the house in the beginning, and now I recognise that he had scottish ancestry. My ex always seemed to be attracted to men with celtic names and ended up marrying one, and so has her sister. So I believe there are powerful factors which prevent intermixing, even between closely related tribes.

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    Celtic and Germanic cultures are quite similar due to the fact that they all originate from the Beaker Folk people and culture as recent studies show. Slight physical differences show that blond hair is a little more frequent among Germanics, while red hair, freckled complexions are more frequent among the Celtics. Genetically they will cluster really close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Germaniathane View Post
    Celtic and Germanic cultures are quite similar due to the fact that they all originate from the Beaker Folk people and culture as recent studies show. Slight physical differences show that blond hair is a little more frequent among Germanics, while red hair, freckled complexions are more frequent among the Celtics. Genetically they will cluster really close.
    Below are two GEDmatch 'Oracle' results for Danish people. For anyone who doesn't know, GEDmatch compares the fine scale DNA data of an individual to the average data of other populations and lists those populations in order of 'best fit' like finding how closely different shoes fit a certain foot. The lower the number, the better the fit. These calculators are not perfect but they give a pretty good idea:

    Swedish 2.06
    Norwegian 2.75
    Danish 3.75
    North_Dutch 3.85
    North_German 4.11
    Orkney_Islander 5.89
    Irish 6.6
    West_Scottish 7.32
    Southeast_English 7.44
    North_Swedish 8.13
    Southwest_English 8.71
    South_Dutch 10.49
    West_German 10.99
    East_German 11.65
    Austrian 12.33
    Southwest_Finnish 16.24
    Hungarian 16.39
    French 16.71
    South_Polish 19.48
    Croatian 21.14

    Norwegian 3.15
    North_Dutch 4
    Danish 4.05
    Swedish 4.86
    Orkney_Islander 5.38
    North_German 6.03
    Irish 6.05
    West_Scottish 6.21
    Southeast_English 6.85
    Southwest_English 7.94
    North_Swedish 10.46
    South_Dutch 11.31
    West_German 12.11
    East_German 14.46
    Austrian 14.86
    French 17.06
    Southwest_Finnish 18.6
    Hungarian 18.96
    South_Polish 22.45
    Croatian 24

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    For the record, the Romans could not tell the difference between Celts and Germanics.

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