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    Post Dinaric and Nordic markers I may not be related at all

    From our friend Dienekes...

    An interesting read for several reasons. Please note the low level of the Scandinavian marker in England. And the extremely low level of the Dinaric marker in Italy.

    In fact, the Dinaric marker may even be some sort of a Slavic marker. It's not only high in Croats, but in Russians, Belos and Ukes. Hmmmm...

    Much less common in Poland, where both markers have the same incidence.


    Dinaric and Nordic Modal Haplotypes

    The Dinaric Modal Haplotype (DMH: 16 –24–11– 11 –13, defined by DYS19 –390–391–392–393, respectively) has a focus of distribution in the Balkan peninsula and the Nordic Modal Haplotype (NMH: 14 – 23 – 10 – 11 – 13) has a focus of distribution in Scandinavia. It should be noted that two Y chromosomes having the same haplotype are not necessarily related, since the same haplotype may be observed on different backgrounds. The ancient ancestral origins of Y chromosomes are determined by unique event polymorphisms (UEPs) for which there are currently no open-access databases. By contrast, there are a few short-tandem-repeat (STR) databases, as STRs are heavily used in the forensic community. Both the DMH and the NMH are associated with Haplogroup I.

    A search for the NMH in YHRD reveals as expected, a high frequency in Sweden (13%), Southern Norway (16%), Värmland, Sweden (12%), Northern Norway (16%), Oslo (9%), Östergötland/Jönköping, Sweden (10%), Uppsala (11%), Skaraborg, Sweden (13%), Central Norway (15%), Blekinge, Sweden (14%).

    A search for the DHMH reveals it in Byelorussia (10%), Kiev (13%), Ljubljana, Slovenia (10%), FYROM (12.1%), Moscow (11%), Zagreb Croatia (16%).

    A few other observations:

    NMH/DMH: European Americans from NYC (2/3%), Maryland (2/2%), Missouri (2/0%), Pennsylvania (3/0%)

    NMH/DMH: Athens (3/5%), Macedonian Greeks (0/7%), Peloponnesians (0/6%), Thessaliots (7/7%), Epirots (7/0%)

    NMH/DMH in Italy: Latium (4/0%), Liguria (2/0%), Lombardy (2/1%), Marche (2/2%), Puglia (3/0%), Sicily (1/0%), Tuscany (0/0%), Veneto (2/0%), Emilia Romagna (0/1%)

    NMH/DMH: Warsaw (4/4%), Moscow (2/11%), Vilnius (1/1%), Albania (1/5%), London, UK (2/1%)
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    Post Re: Dinaric and Nordic markers I may not be related at all

    Its interesting that DMH: 16 –24–11– 11 –13 was found among extremely homogenous Old Believers in NE Poland (3 individuals - 2,36%) It proves that it must be old Slavic marker,
    Its seems 14 – 23 – 10 – 11 – 13 is not so popular outside Scandinavia. I could not find it in Baltic countries and among Danes as well while its not seldom among Irish and Scots (Vikings?) http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=14087
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    Post AW: Dinaric and Nordic Haplotypes I may not be related at all

    The figures of the distribution of DMH and NMH don't coincide with the distribution of the Dinaric or Nordic type at all, which isn't surprising, since the halplogroups in question don't determine one's subrace or anything of that sort.
    "slavic" languages are absolutely arteficial (Read "slawenlegende"). The "glagolica", invented by a bunch of monks, is nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs.

    The craddle of European Civilization comes from the North. All blond people originate from the north. So if you see a blond-blue eyed Slovene, Russian, Czech, Polak ect., you can be 100% sure that his ancient ancestors originated from "Germanics" (Germanic = Nordic).
    "slovenja" was the settelment of the Langobards = Germanics/Teutons. "Poland" of the Goths and East-Vandals ect. ect. What do "slavs" tell us about their origin?
    Some silly story that they originate from some swamps in the east and popped out of no where into history.

    So you see my dear "Gorostan" [=Triglav], you are in reality a "Germanic" indoctrinated with panslav propaganda and historic fantasy stories. ~Dr. Brandt, former TNP and Skadi member

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    Post Re: AW: Dinaric and Nordic Haplotypes I may not be related at all

    Quote Originally Posted by Triglav
    The figures of the distribution of DMH and NMH don't coincide with the distribution of the Dinaric or Nordic type at all, which isn't surprising, since the halplogroups in question don't determine one's subrace or anything of that sort.

    Exactly.

    And it shouldn't really be a surprise, because the genes for phenotypic info are most probably inherited seperately from these Y-chromosome markers, which have absolutely nothing to do with what we look like.
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    Post Re: Dinaric and Nordic markers I may not be related at all

    Haplogroup I is common across central Europe and up into Scandinavia.

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    Post Re: Dinaric and Nordic markers I may not be related at all

    Quote Originally Posted by Euclides
    Haplogroup I is common across central Europe and up into Scandinavia.

    This map is not in line with the latest data on Haplotype I.

    The point of this article is that the Haplotype I in Scandinavia may not be related to the Haplotype I in the Balkans.

    It seems that the Germanic I originated in France.

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