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    Question Racial Engineering: How Long Would it Take to Create a New Race (or Sub-Race)?

    I have often wondered how long it would take to create a new sub-race, or a new race. Races are created through mutation and isolation, but how long does this isolation have to last in order for a new race to come into being?

    As a side question, how long do you think it would take to create a race of giants? Let's say we let only the tallest men breed with the tallest women, and only let the tallest of their offspring survive. How long would it take for mean height of the population to reach 7' and beyond? Would it be even possible for a population to reach a mean height of 8 feet, 9 feet, or more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forrest Kingsley View Post
    I have often wondered how long it would take to create a new sub-race, or a new race. Races are created through mutation and isolation, but how long does this isolation have to last in order for a new race to come into being?
    A few generations perhaps, depending on what you want. It would depend on so many factors, what material you had to start with, how prevalent the genes you are targeting are, how they are linked on the chromosomes etc. etc.

    This is what communism is all about, killing all those who can be identified as not conforming to the design while promoting those who are. That is what the Gulags and Stalin's extermination campaigns were all about. The goal being a submissive, obedient and not overly intelligent servant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forrest Kingsley View Post
    As a side question, how long do you think it would take to create a race of giants? Let's say we let only the tallest men breed with the tallest women, and only let the tallest of their offspring survive. How long would it take for mean height of the population to reach 7' and beyond? Would it be even possible for a population to reach a mean height of 8 feet, 9 feet, or more?
    Lets just say a 7' man and a 6' wife who come from tall families where both in this couple are of average height for their family. They have 12 children, each marrys a male no shorter than 7' and a female no less than 6' and they all have to be average height for their family. And each has 12 children. And this repeats itself for 10 generations.


    GenI 2 (the original 2 parents, the "Adam and Eve" of this race of giants)
    GenII 12
    GenIII 144
    GenIV 1728
    GenV 20736
    Gen VI 248832
    Gen VII 2985984
    Gen VIII35831808
    Gen IX 429981696
    Gen X 5159780352


    At the end of the tenth generation we will have already bred 5,159,780,352 members of this giant race, roughly four times the population of China.

    So that means in just ten generations we could easily have four giant countries of giant people. Well, not so easily, but it can be done.

    Incest however will make this process much easier, as it will be hard to find a similar partner of the enormous height we're trying to achieve in this race. That way each generation will only receive genes from parents of the same tall family, such as in this case. I predict that some to most offspring of each generation will have to inbreed to make this possible to make sure that only the enormous genes are passed down. Inbreeding is necessary for racial engineering to ensure only the selected genes are involved. If a new race of a certain trait such as giantism were to be created, it will have to be inbred at least to some extent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forrest Kingsley View Post
    I have often wondered how long it would take to create a new sub-race, or a new race. Races are created through mutation and isolation, but how long does this isolation have to last in order for a new race to come into being?

    As a side question, how long do you think it would take to create a race of giants? Let's say we let only the tallest men breed with the tallest women, and only let the tallest of their offspring survive. How long would it take for mean height of the population to reach 7' and beyond? Would it be even possible for a population to reach a mean height of 8 feet, 9 feet, or more?
    I think there is a limit for healthy human hight beyond which point we would need to evolve new knee joints. 8 foot sounds about the limit to me. This would take many generations although using new IVF and surrogacy methods. Egg cell insemination from DNA rather than sperm could be used so you you would not have to wait for the subjects to reach maturity prior to breeding with their genetic material just as long as it takes to confirm desired attributes. This being the case you could probably do the posses over a few decades rather than centuries. You would need little more than a fertility lab and a willing set of surrogates. That being said it raises many ethical issues .

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    Creating a sub-race of giants could probably be achieved, but it would take several generations and quite a bit of inbreeding. Not worth it, unless you're a mad scientist and into that kind of stuff.

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    This is what communism is all about, killing all those who can be identified as not conforming to the design while promoting those who are.
    ...and Nazism is all about that too.

    Actually, that's what every utopian ideology is about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King of the North View Post
    ...and Nazism is all about that too.
    No it isn't.

    The NSDAP sought to create a homogeneous society of SUPERIOR people, not stupid slaves to kowtow to some elite. When a society is homogeneous and Germanic, there is little need for suppressing the spirit of its citizenry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    The NSDAP sought to create a homogeneous society of SUPERIOR people, not stupid slaves to kowtow to some elite. When a society is homogeneous and Germanic, there is little need for suppressing the spirit of its citizenry.
    That's why I left out the part about unintelligent slaves. Read my post again.

    But the Nazis did envision a certain "blueprint" for people, and wanted to create a society where everyone fit that model. That's a fact.

    That's what all utopian mass-ideologies are about, whether it's Nazism or Communism. They're idealist, and aim to reach that ideal.

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    Edgard is correct in saying that when the body reaches certain sizes it becomes 'inefficient'. As mentioned, areas of the body such as the knee, spine...even the circulatory system would have to be heavily 'modified' for the creation of a 'Race of Giants'. It is my opinion that if these problems were overcome, the end result would be a race of humans who bore about the same resemblance to homo-sapiens as Gorillas do.

    I read somewhere that after the height 6'9" is achieved, the human body becomes 'inefficient' and therefore weaker than a smaller body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forrest Kingsley View Post
    I have often wondered how long it would take to create a new sub-race, or a new race. Races are created through mutation and isolation, but how long does this isolation have to last in order for a new race to come into being?
    An interesting question, but impossible to answer. Evolution from one race to another or one species of another can't be viewed from one generation to another.
    When, exactly, did we go from the common ancestor we have with the chimpanzee and to being human, when we talk in single generations? If you looked at pictures of individuals from every generation, it would be impossible to pick out a single picture from where the turning point is. That is a huge taxonomic problem for archaeologists.
    The same problem is with races - when, exactly, did the nordic or germanic race go from the common ancestor with the negro to the nordic or germanic race?
    But very interesting question - so interesting that even most scientists can't answer

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