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    Feisty,

    from a point of view of fate, those people who harassed you did you good after all. You developed into somebody who thinks for herself and defends herself.

    Negative influences in our life often trigger things which are necessary. They force you to react and apply to your strength.

    If one takes drugs to not let that developement happen one just weakens oneself and one will be stagnant, which only makes the problem bigger and bigger.

    Negative forces are a pain in the butt but necessary to do something in an area we like to avoid and like to not look at it.

    Healing is meant to further those developement and get the changes into place which strengthens the person. Drugs (legal or illegal) buffer the problem, people still 'feel well' despite they really shouldn't. That 'feeling well' makes them to continue with their 'sickness' instead of solving it and using it to become stronger.

    Resistance to change just causes more pain, acceptance of a condition is the first step to change anything.

    Also perception is important. As you figured out that the perception which people forced upon you does not mirror reality, that the sickness is not sickness but a personality trait which your family tried to oppress because it caused THEM trouble. Perception is important because it 'creates' reality.

    To see a sickness as sickness creates a certain reality for people, seeing sickness as an opportunity to grow is another perception. To see 'sickness' as a normal thing (not every sickness is a normal thing) creates another reality.

    Also people outsource the healing, they hand themselves over to a doctor/psychiatrist and expect them to do the work, which is really meant for you to do. Being passive and let other people heal you has not the same effect as if you heal yourself.

    The common paradigm is that there is a soul/spirit and there is a body but both are really different things. (That is one perception). One can also think that both are a unit which interacts as one. mental/emotional behaviour stimulates body reactions and visa versa.

    To treat only one area will work but may not heal completely. Healing is the healing of the whole being, not just part of it. After healing one cannot go on as before. That is the main point of healing.
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    Slightly OT, but this report does prove that you can change the physical structure of your brain through conscious thought.

    "Mindfulness meditation training changes brain structure in 8 weeks

    Participating in an 8-week mindfulness meditation program appears to make measurable changes in brain regions associated with memory, sense of self, empathy and stress."

    http://www.massgeneral.org/about/pre...e.aspx?id=1329
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    It's called neurogenesis.

    one can support it by certain supplements: Oliveoil, coconutoil, vegetarian DHA, tumeric, broccoli etc.
    those supplements trigger neurogenesis. Then changing your patterns of behaviour produces new neuropathways, which then can be used, aka meditation etc.

    Its one way to change oneself.

    The brain has some plasticity not known before. It can be wired so people 'awaken', or for a higher consciousness etc.

    (also for bad stuff like violence, abuse whatever)
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    @ Ocko, neurogenesis is pretty amazing. I was always so depressed thinking my IQ was set in stone at the age of 16 1/2 - 17. That's what a science teacher told us in high school. Well, that might very well be true, but at least I can rest assured knowing I'm not getting dumber every day

    I would not trust anyone who tells me herbal supplements are going to make me smarter. No way. Mindfulness is the only way.

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    I believe that there should be therapy places set up for survivors of psychiatry, so that they can talk to professional psychologists who are on their side that will make them aware of the truth of how they've been harmed when they try to go off theses addictive toxins they have been lured or forced to take. They should also help with the filing of lawsuits against the pharmaceutical companies, mental institutions, or psychiatrists that lobotomized and tortured innocent people unnecessarily even if it was very minor by collecting and verifying evidence.

    My psychiatrist must have thought I was dangerous because he thought I was "intellectual" and had a high IQ. My mother said he told her that I have a high IQ and that studies have revealed that people with high IQs are much more likely to acquire mental illnesses. He once said to me that I need to stop intellectualizing things and resisting therapy because he "has been to school and studied these things" longer than I have. That's why he didn't diagnose me with anything, he was scared of looking like a fraud. If I had been a mindless fool I probably would have walked out of there labeled as suffering from clinical depression, schizophrenic, or bipolar.

    My parents are actually almost total naturalists and traditionalists. They were very anti medication, but they had it pushed on them and were afraid of social services which the therapist so conveniently contacted after she talked to me. My mom is just a pushover really, and she was fooled into thinking that I should take a tiny dose of abilify and zoloft to get my appetite up because I was suffering from anorexia. The psychiatrist even wanted to put me on a normal dose of it because he also believed that I was suffering from mixed depressive and elevated mood symptoms and said it wouldn't make any difference on such a small dose, but my parents stopped it and gave me even less than he prescribed and I'm grateful for that. At the time I wasn't told they were worried I was anorexic for fear of making it worse, but I never had anorexia I just had a poor appetite from the hormones that I was producing, and I really wasn't dangerously thin, just a bit thin. I just needed to be told I should eat more, because I wasn't even noticing how little I was eating. The way these psychiatrists handle problems is so foolish, self protecting, and harmful.
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    You can't eat yourself into heaven, thats true, but you can prime your body to make neurogenesis easier or supportive. When you do exercises and the body is ready to make new pathways they will be done. With mindful meditation or other exercises you make the new pathways according to what you exercise. If you lay pathways for mindfulness that that is easier afterwards.

    similar what feisty did. By invoking the archetype of a warrior her brain adjusted to it and made new pathways which have not been there before. Everytime now she wants to use those pathways they are there.

    The one thing about the warrior archetype is that it doesn't like weakness (it's not a knight). It mercilessly kills it. Being a nice little girl who want to please everybody is most likely in the way of warrior and erased it.

    (Psychologists most likely would say she internalized the bullies who harrassed her, now she is not only bullying everybody else but herself too. Its just a way to look at it).

    A warrior learns through fighting with everything. (other learn through nurturing something, to imitate, to dance, to play whatever ways there are).

    I do think there are limits to what a warrior can learn, as there are subtle and small things which escapes him/her.

    There is a lot of freedom in creating these neural pathways (drugging people creates other ones, I guess less appreciative ones). What ever direction one wants to take there is a way (exercises etc).

    I think our friends the Jews try to make pathways through the MassMedia, developing patterns which then become hardwired.
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    The archetype of a warrior is a fighter for a cause. Often it is Truth for which he or she fights (the archetype is not genderspecific and is neutral to it, though there are slightly different manifestations). Sometimes the warrior fights for abused people, or simply enjoys the havoc created.

    The warrior challenges not only others but also him/herself. They can be hard on themselves and enjoy the endurance under stress. They live mostly in a fight or flight mode. that tension has an effect on their body: it makes the body athletic, the musles are often hardened, the shoulders pulled up permanently. They source themselves from the root and the belly chakra. So they have 'earthen' favorites.

    Warriors like the extremes (as challenges) and chart new territory (mentally and emotionally, situationally as well as geographically). They often see things as black and white. They like to polarize.

    they look straight into your eyes to see who you are: enemy or friendly

    They prefer the rough-motoric not the fine, small motoric. They like to use the bigger muscles and don't like to perform things where they have to focus on tiny pieces.

    In sports they prefer the ones which causes adrenaline to flow, but can be found in most sports because of the challenges.

    If they go on a trip their hotel room is base-camp. Maps lying around with points to 'conquer', mountains to climb, bad pubs to see, etc. a plan of attack for the day is done.

    They can fit into a fighting group easily, they accept hirarchies then. they are the ones you can trust and built on. they do what they say and they say what they do.

    But they like also people were they can relax who give the comfort and peace, people who provide a retreat from the frontlines of their life.



    though one can mix archetypes this one tends to like to take over the whole being. To balance it out they often take other things like the samurai did Haikus, painting and so on, the knights refined their behaviours with courtesy etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko
    Feisty,

    from a point of view of fate, those people who harassed you did you good after all. You developed into somebody who thinks for herself and defends herself.
    Yes, very good & righteous of you to point out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko
    If one takes drugs to not let that developement happen one just weakens oneself and one will be stagnant, which only makes the problem bigger and bigger.
    Yes, drugs (legal & non), alcohol, self delusion, i.e., lying to oneself, blaming others for their own caused problems, & other obstacles (man-made & otherwise) all drain from the growth process that we are here to experience. If one is in a stupor one will act the zombie.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko
    Negative forces are a pain in the butt but necessary to do something in an area we like to avoid and like to not look at it.
    Like the oyster & pearl, brother.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko
    Healing is meant to further those developement and get the changes into place which strengthens the person. Drugs (legal or illegal) buffer the problem, people still 'feel well' despite they really shouldn't. That 'feeling well' makes them to continue with their 'sickness' instead of solving it and using it to become stronger.
    I think this all is outstanding insight, Ocko!


    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko
    Also perception is important. As you figured out that the perception which people forced upon you does not mirror reality, that the sickness is not sickness but a personality trait which your family tried to oppress because it caused THEM trouble. Perception is important because it 'creates' reality.
    You can, if you think you can.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko
    To see a sickness as sickness creates a certain reality for people, seeing sickness as an opportunity to grow is another perception. To see 'sickness' as a normal thing (not every sickness is a normal thing) creates another reality.
    The power of positive thinking is what you refer to here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko
    Also people outsource the healing, they hand themselves over to a doctor/psychiatrist and expect them to do the work, which is really meant for you to do. Being passive and let other people heal you has not the same effect as if you heal yourself.
    Too many of our people want the nanny state or some other collective to take care of them.



    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko
    The common paradigm is that there is a soul/spirit and there is a body but both are really different things. (That is one perception). One can also think that both are a unit which interacts as one. mental/emotional behaviour stimulates body reactions and visa versa.
    I am in the latter camp.

    Thank you for this great insight, Ocko. It seems sometimes to me that people don't do enough of the gratitude thing, but that is one thing I do not over look.

    Thank you.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qs9T...eature=related

    I also find it interesting the way they rarely target pretty, charismatic, or intelligent people with diagnoses. People notice pretty and charismatic people, and they don't want to draw attention to what they're doing to people or feel sympathy for them. But they have to get a few of those people drugged, so that people don't notice a pattern. I just find it so amazing the way they didn't look for an actual real physical cause (which was the cause for the behavior, the adrenaline was making me thin and agitated because my body was reacting the way it should to the stress and torture I was enduring), they just automatically assumed that its actually MY problem because they didn't want to responsible for any harm done to me. I know I should move on, but I feel like I've been raped of 2 years of my life.

    Here's another great video I found about antidepressants. I NEVER ever had suicidal thoughts before I started being forced to take zoloft. I also had thoughts about hitting and beating people up, which I yet again NEVER had before and I almost exploded and thank god I didn't. Of course they were very mild and were really just like contemplating death, but that really says something about how f*cking sick these drugs make people. The drugs disable the brains ability to reason, which is why the people taking them have no idea what its doing to them and are actually becoming depressed or even disabled when they never really had a problem. They are purposefully made to be that way, so the patient doesn't tell their doctor what its doing to them and discontinue use.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IncNj99k2ig
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    The only reason he put me on those drugs is because he thought it would be a good idea to get me to talk, and he was so so angry when they didn't "work" and shrugged it off by saying some people just won't talk to psychiatrists. The reason I wasn't talking is because I was being tranquilized or chemically shocked basically and was forgetting the details of what had happened to me, and I also felt apathetic so it actually made me want to talk about it less. Now I've realized these drugs have given me such traumatic memories, because the emotional trauma is in my subconscious but its been wiped out so I can't get it out and deal with it. It F*cked me up, needlessly. Don't ever ever take antidepressents, they're very dangerous, unless you want to wipe out your memory and avoid the problem you're having. They probably permanently altered my sex drive and memory a little bit, and I took the most ridiculously small dose for a very short period of time. They did permanent but mild damage to an otherwise healthy and intelligent girl. If I had had bad parents, I would have been really f*cked up though.

    I have a feeling he wanted to diagnose me with something so bad, he even required that I get all of these brain tests/pictures, and was befuddled when they came back perfect. He was mad because I told the female therapist that I wanted to get revenge on all these people that were hurting me.
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